vertical trail of blood from lower entry wound...

[mike tesko]

There was some confusion at the beginning of the original investigation, where the police were making out that they could not account for where five bullets had come from, because there were still 29 bullets, and a loose one on the kitchen worktop, from a new box of fifty...

These four head shots could have been inflicted by police who were frustrated in their attempts to enter the kitchen because of Ralph Bambers body sat on the chair behind the internal kitchen door...

Did police shoot Ralph in the head before they managed to displace his body from a seating position on the chair behind the door, sending his body crashing to the kitchen floor?

Are the circumstances of this, what the officers report about the shooting incident in the kitchen is all about?

[mike tesko]

Wound diagrams - Ralph Bamber:-

[mike tesko]

I believe that Ralph Bamber was sat down on the wooden chair behind the kitchen door when he was shot in the head four times...

He may have voluntarily sat down on this chair because of the pain and distress caused as a result of already being shot four times, and out of sheer exhaustion...

Prior to this, he was wounded four times non fatally (see diagram)

[smiffy]

The 6 shots that ended up in his head, are in 3 pairs.
This is highly suggestive of him not moving about or being able to move about when inflicted.
Previously being struck and possibly shot twice may have rendered him unconcious or semi-concious.

The 2 jaw shots may have been inflicted before the 4 other shots to the head ...by going with that idea the 4 shots possibly from the police needs to be considered.
If they were shot by the police then was he dead before those shots?  It looks like rigor mortis was well established as shown by the photographs taken at the scene so that only fits with his death occurring prior to police entry to the house.
There seems little point in the police shooting Ralph 4 times in the head unless they have a motive to create a scene in which they wish to represent the work of a schizophrenic or similar mad person.

[mike tesko]

The 6 shots that ended up in his head, are in 3 pairs.
This is highly suggestive of him not moving about or being able to move about when inflicted.
Previously being struck and possibly shot twice may have rendered him unconcious or semi-concious.

The 2 jaw shots may have been inflicted before the 4 other shots to the head ...by going with that idea the 4 shots possibly from the police needs to be considered.
If they were shot by the police then was he dead before those shots?  It looks like rigor mortis was well established as shown by the photographs taken at the scene so that only fits with his death occurring prior to police entry to the house.
There seems little point in the police shooting Ralph 4 times in the head unless they have a motive to create a scene in which they wish to represent the work of a schizophrenic or similar mad person.

Ralph Bamber could have bled to death from one or more of the non fatal wounds he received before any of the four fatal head wounds - he collapsed on the chair behind the door and bled to death, before police pushed/forced door open and shot him in the top/side of head before toppling over his body. Rigor mortis would already have set in, sending his body crashing the kitchen floor...

[curiousessex]

I believe that Ralph Bamber was sat down on the wooden chair behind the kitchen door when he was shot in the head four times...

He may have voluntarily sat down on this chair because of the pain and distress caused as a result of already being shot four times, and out of sheer exhaustion...

Prior to this, he was wounded four times non fatally (see diagram)

Re the comment in the diagram - 'Ralph could have been shot in kitchen when he was in the process of making the call to Jeremy after the line went dead...'

The line can only have been dead for a very short period of time as Jeremy returned the call and has repeatedly said he got the engaged tone. A dead telephone line does not give an engaged tone.

As such and in my opinion the comment on the diagram totally undermines the defence position that two telephone police logs relate to two independent telephone calls being received by the police and supports the prosecution claim that the two telephone logs relate to a single telephone call being received by the police from Jeremy in Goldhanger to Chelmsford police station.

The defence claim Jeremy repeatedly got the engaged tone when he immediately returned the call to WHF by using memory redial because Nevill was calling the police.

[Roch]

Inside the farmhouse during the early hours to the early morning.

If Jeremy Bamber is guilty...
then he knows what happened up to a certain point in time, initially but then less so later on.

If Jeremy Bamber is innocent...
Are we all in agreement that the only people who to varying extents, know what happened inside the farmhouse in those early hours, are the people who died and then later on, the actual police officers who entered?

Neither the prosecution, nor David Boutflour nor the defence, nor Uncle Tom Cobbley nor Julie Mugford nor Horsey Dave, nor Andrew Hunter, nor Ann Eaton know what happened inside the farmhouse.  None of us do.

I agree, the angle of some shots to Ralph's head are very interesting, given his position.  How could those shots have been delivered, in terms of Ralph's final position and the position / angle of the shooter?

[Roch]

I believe that Ralph Bamber was sat down on the wooden chair behind the kitchen door when he was shot in the head four times...

He may have voluntarily sat down on this chair because of the pain and distress caused as a result of already being shot four times, and out of sheer exhaustion...

Prior to this, he was wounded four times non fatally (see diagram)

Re the comment in the diagram - 'Ralph could have been shot in kitchen when he was in the process of making the call to Jeremy after the line went dead...'

The line can only have been dead for a very short period of time as Jeremy returned the call and has repeatedly said he got the engaged tone. A dead telephone line does not give an engaged tone.

As such and in my opinion the comment on the diagram totally undermines the defence position that two telephone police logs relate to two independent telephone calls being received by the police and supports the prosecution claim that the two telephone logs relate to a single telephone call being received by the police from Jeremy in Goldhanger to Chelmsford police station.

The defence claim Jeremy repeatedly got the engaged tone when he immediately returned the call to WHF by using memory redial because Nevill was calling the police.

Is it conceivable that a person with designs upon the family estates and who is ice cold enough to carry out five multiple shot murders and then act the part of a 'confused son in shock' the following morning, would fail to provide himself with a technically adequate alibi, involving the series or nature of telephone calls surrounding the crimes? 

He manages to not have a mark upon his person nor any trace of weapons residue, yet he hasn't thought through the telephone calls necessary for his alibi, after his elaborate staging of the final victim, involving strategically placed bible etc.  He is so clever in this diabolical scheme, that he manages to arrange the final victim to look as if she was killed at around the time the police enter the property. 

When they finally pulled off the bogeyman's mask, to reveal an arrogant 24 year old Bamber, there was a gasp of confirmation and relief from family members and police. 

Unrepentant... Bamber sneered...

"If it wasn't for those pesky telephones... I would have got away with it"

[smiffy]

Inside the farmhouse during the early hours to the early morning.

If Jeremy Bamber is guilty...
then he knows what happened up to a certain point in time, initially but then less so later on.

If Jeremy Bamber is innocent...
Are we all in agreement that the only people who to varying extents, know what happened inside the farmhouse in those early hours, are the people who died and then later on, the actual police officers who entered?

Neither the prosecution, nor David Boutflour nor the defence, nor Uncle Tom Cobbley nor Julie Mugford nor Horsey Dave, nor Andrew Hunter, nor Ann Eaton know what happened inside the farmhouse.  None of us do.

I agree, the angle of some shots to Ralph's head are very interesting, given his position.  How could those shots have been delivered, in terms of Ralph's final position and the position / angle of the shooter?

I agree, the angle of some shots to Ralph's head are very interesting, given his position.  How could those shots have been delivered, in terms of Ralph's final position and the position / angle of the shooter?

Exactly...Ralph's body has been staged.
The 6 shots to his head in my view were fired when he was basically immobile and not even turning his head.  From the rigor mortis its fair to say he was seated in his chair when he received the 6 head shots with his head slumped forward. The angle of the shots and the length of the rifle dictate where he must been seated when the shots were delivered...and this is not compatible with the position he was in when photographed.

The 2 breaks in the shootings...in my view ..there was a break between the first set of shots to June and the later set...which allowed her to wander around the bedroom for a short while. However in my view there was also a break in the attack upon Ralph.  Maybe the first two shots and some clubbing with a rifle butt or a stool or similar. Enough injury to send Ralph to the floor and maybe have him be knocked out or pass out for a while during which the killer may have dealt with June or the twins.
While the killer was away from the kitchen Ralph stirs and wakes up and struggles to try to get to his feet...(possibly leaving his bloody fingerprints on the drawer and kitchen top edge). He manages to get into his chair to rest from his exertions and passes out again maybe prior to the killer returning to finsih him off.