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Re: A quiz for Sparks
« Reply #15 on: September 26, 2011, 09:12:AM »
I see what you mean about the chocolate.

A night out with Grahame or a female forum member.....hhmmm, now that WOULD be interesting.....

Deal !!

p.s: message to Grahame.....it's ok you're safe, I've got NO chance of winning.....!!

Like the idea of a quiz night.....
Hate to frighten you, but I suspect you will be the lone contender. ::)

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Re: A quiz for Sparks
« Reply #16 on: September 26, 2011, 09:28:AM »
I see what you mean about the chocolate.

A night out with Grahame or a female forum member.....hhmmm, now that WOULD be interesting.....

Deal !!

p.s: message to Grahame.....it's ok you're safe, I've got NO chance of winning.....!!

Like the idea of a quiz night.....
Hate to frighten you, but I suspect you will be the lone contender. ::)


I sent Sparks a pm yesterday inviting him to do the quiz, Grahame. He hasn't replied but he has visited the forum this morning, so I'll allow a while longer.


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Re: A quiz for Sparks
« Reply #17 on: September 26, 2011, 11:06:PM »
As Sparks has failed to respond to his quiz, I'm going to post the answers this evening. I welcome corrections of errors and constructive criticism. Feel free to add anything I've omitted and to modify any dates or comments that are wrong.

A timeline of Sheila's life, part 1.


1957            Sheila is rejected by her birth mother.
 
1957            Adopted by June and Nevill at a few months old.
 
1957            That photograph in which June's chilling, possessive smile and Nevill's
                    detachment from this seem to set the pattern for Sheila's life.
 
1957            June can't cope as a mother, is hospitalised with a breakdown
 
1957            Was Sheila placed in foster care - with a 'third mother'?
 
1957            June becomes a religious fanatic - a symptom of her illness - preaches
                    constantly. 'Her arms hanging down by her sides', June is a cold,
                    judgemental mother. She sets unattainable standards of conduct for her
                    children.  Is she setting them up to fail and to remain dependent?
 
1960s/70s   Unsurprisingly, Sheila becomes a disturbed child - she's expelled from two
                    schools.
 
1970s          Sheila fails at secretarial college - can't hold down work.
 
1970s          Sheila does a modelling course, yet fails to become model.
 
1974            Sheila, aged 17 begins seeing Colin, aged 21, a more worldly wise
                    Londoner.
 
1974            Colin takes those pornographic photos of 17 year old Sheila
 
1974            Sheila is rejected as the 'devil's child' by her adoptive mother, June.
 
1974            Aged 17 or 18, unmarried Sheila becomes pregnant.
 
1975            Aged 17 or 18, Sheila moves in with Colin - to get away from her family? -
                    she also becomes pregnant again.
.
1975            Sheila miscarries.
 
1977            Sheila & Colin are pressured and cajoled into a shotgun marriage, partly
                    with a sticky web of financial inducements - which come at a very high
                    price?
 
1978            Sheila has violent episodes - e.g. punches her hand through a window on
                    21st birthday - a signal of what's to come.
 

chochokeira

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Re: A quiz for Sparks
« Reply #18 on: September 26, 2011, 11:21:PM »
As Sparks has failed to respond to his quiz, I'm going to post the answers this evening. I welcome corrections of errors and constructive criticism. Feel free to add anything I've omitted and to modify any dates or comments that are wrong.

A timeline of Sheila's life, part 1.


1957            Sheila is rejected by her birth mother.
 
1957            Adopted by June and Nevill at a few months old.
 
1957            That photograph in which June's chilling, possessive smile and Nevill's
                    detachment from this seem to set the pattern for Sheila's life.
 
1957            June can't cope as a mother, is hospitalised with a breakdown
 
1957            Was Sheila placed in foster care - with a 'third mother'?
 
1957            June becomes a religious fanatic - a symptom of her illness - preaches
                    constantly. 'Her arms hanging down by her sides', June is a cold,
                    judgemental mother. She sets unattainable standards of conduct for her
                    children.  Is she setting them up to fail and to remain dependent?
 
1960s/70s   Unsurprisingly, Sheila becomes a disturbed child - she's expelled from two
                    schools.
 
1970s          Sheila fails at secretarial college - can't hold down work.
 
1970s          Sheila does a modelling course, yet fails to become model.
 
1974            Sheila, aged 17 begins seeing Colin, aged 21, a more worldly wise
                    Londoner.
 
1974            Colin takes those pornographic photos of 17 year old Sheila
 
1974            Sheila is rejected as the 'devil's child' by her adoptive mother, June.
 
1974            Aged 17 or 18, unmarried Sheila becomes pregnant.
 
1975            Aged 17 or 18, Sheila moves in with Colin - to get away from her family? -
                    she also becomes pregnant again.
.
1975            Sheila miscarries.
 
1977            Sheila & Colin are pressured and cajoled into a shotgun marriage, partly
                    with a sticky web of financial inducements - which come at a very high
                    price?
 
1978            Sheila has violent episodes - e.g. punches her hand through a window on
                    21st birthday - a signal of what's to come.

1978-80s     Sheila self harms - I've read in Shaw - evidence of this?
 
1977            Miscarriage 2
 
1978??         Miscarriage 3??
 
1979            The twins are born.
 
1979            Sheila and Colin's marriage breaks up, Sheila is left with 4-5 month old
                    twins. Colin takes a new partner.
 
1979            Sheila, unable to cope, is assigned a social worker and child minder.
 
1979-85       Sheila is so depressed and self obsessed that she rarely speaks to her
                    children. The twins have accidents due to this - Nicholas's fall from taxi
 
1981            Sheila begins to see Freddie - dependent on him for money and support,
                    yet she cuts him dead at other times. Sheila still loves only Colin.
 
1981           "Sheila had a very quick and violent temper...[she'd] lose over the
                    simplest of things" (Freddie's statement)
 
1982            Sheila and Colin divorce - Colin has joint custody of twins.
 
1982            Sheila is moved to Morshead Mansions flat by her parents - an expensive
                    liability Sheila cannot afford - another thread in the sticky web of
                    dependency and control.
 
1979            Sheila lives on benefits plus parental financial support.
 
1979/80s     Sheila is left financially dependent on her manipulative parents: an
                    expensive flat, expensive private mental health care and loan support. 
                    Do these killing kindnesses keep Sheila immature and in child like
                    dependence on June and Nevill?
 
                    Yet Sheila still has the apparent freedom of living in London.
 
1979/80s     Sheila is unable to find a proper new partner and happiness as Colin
                    has done.
 

1983            Nicholas is hospitalised after falling from a taxi because Sheila was too self
                    obsessed to notice.
 
1983            Sheila has her first breakdown, is hospitalised for 3 months
                    (threatens suicide?).  As Freddie stated: this 'breakdown was coming on
                    for some time,  Nicholas's accident was last straw'.
 
1983            June and Nevill are so ashamed of Sheila's illness and its implications for
                    their social standing that they're determined to conceal it. They even
                    conceal it from family.
 
                    Does the veil of secrecy thrown across Sheila's mental illness by her
                    parents intermesh with the Bamber's sticky web of control?
 
1983-85       Sheila becomes a religious fanatic obsessed with the devil, just like
                    June.   

                    Perhaps Sheila wasn't wrong in feeling herself possessed, but merely chose
                    the wrong culprit?     
 

chochokeira

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Re: A quiz for Sparks
« Reply #19 on: September 27, 2011, 12:18:AM »
A timeline of Sheila's life


1957            Sheila is rejected by her birth mother.
 
1957            Adopted by June and Nevill at a few months old.
 
1957            That photograph in which June's chilling, possessive smile and Nevill's
                    detachment from this seem to set the pattern for Sheila's life.
 
1957            June can't cope as a mother, is hospitalised with a breakdown
 
1957            Was Sheila placed in foster care - with a 'third mother'?
 
1957            June becomes a religious fanatic - a symptom of her illness - preaches
                    constantly. 'Her arms hanging down by her sides', June is a cold,
                    judgemental mother. She sets unattainable standards of conduct for her
                    children.  Is she setting them up to fail and to remain dependent?
 
1960s/70s   Unsurprisingly, Sheila becomes a disturbed child - she's expelled from two
                    schools.
 
1970s          Sheila fails at secretarial college - can't hold down work.
 
1970s          Sheila does a modelling course, yet fails to become model.
 
1974            Sheila, aged 17 begins seeing Colin, aged 21, a more worldly wise
                    Londoner.
 
1974            Colin takes those pornographic photos of 17 year old Sheila
 
1974            Sheila is rejected as the 'devil's child' by her adoptive mother, June.
 
1974            Aged 17 or 18, unmarried Sheila becomes pregnant.
 
1975            Aged 17 or 18, Sheila moves in with Colin - to get away from her family? -
                    she also becomes pregnant again.
.
1975            Sheila miscarries.
 
1977            Sheila & Colin are pressured and cajoled into a shotgun marriage, partly
                    with a sticky web of financial inducements - which come at a very high
                    price?
 
1978            Sheila has violent episodes - e.g. punches her hand through a window on
                    21st birthday - a signal of what's to come.

1978-80s     Sheila self harms - I've read in Shaw - evidence of this?
 
1977            Miscarriage 2
 
1978??         Miscarriage 3??
 
1979            The twins are born.
 
1979            Sheila and Colin's marriage breaks up, Sheila is left with 4-5 month old
                    twins. Colin takes a new partner.
 
1979            Sheila, unable to cope, is assigned a social worker and child minder.
 
1979-85       Sheila is so depressed and self obsessed that she rarely speaks to her
                    children. The twins have accidents due to this - Nicholas's fall from taxi
 
1981            Sheila begins to see Freddie - dependent on him for money and support,
                    yet she cuts him dead at other times. Sheila still loves only Colin.
 
1981           "Sheila had a very quick and violent temper...[she'd] lose over the
                    simplest of things" (Freddie's statement)
 
1982            Sheila and Colin divorce - Colin has joint custody of twins.
 
1982            Sheila is moved to Morshead Mansions flat by her parents - an expensive
                    liability Sheila cannot afford - another thread in the sticky web of
                    dependency and control.
 
1979            Sheila lives on benefits plus parental financial support.
 
1979/80s     Sheila is left financially dependent on her manipulative parents: an
                    expensive flat, expensive private mental health care and loan support. 
                    Do these killing kindnesses keep Sheila immature and in child like
                    dependence on June and Nevill?
 
                    Yet Sheila still has the apparent freedom of living in London.
 
1979/80s     Sheila is unable to find a proper new partner and happiness as Colin
                    has done.
 

1983            Nicholas is hospitalised after falling from a taxi because Sheila was too self
                    obsessed to notice.
 
1983            Sheila has her first breakdown, is hospitalised for 3 months
                    (threatens suicide?).  As Freddie stated: this 'breakdown was coming on
                    for some time,  Nicholas's accident was last straw'.
 
1983            June and Nevill are so ashamed of Sheila's illness and its implications for
                    their social standing that they're determined to conceal it. They even
                    conceal it from family.
 
                    Does the veil of secrecy thrown across Sheila's mental illness by her
                    parents intermesh with the Bamber's sticky web of control?
 
1983-85       Sheila becomes a religious fanatic obsessed with the devil, just like
                    June.   

                    Perhaps Sheila wasn't wrong in feeling herself possessed, but merely chose
                    the wrong culprit?     

1985 Mch?   Freddie's statement: Sheila has a psychotic episode and becomes
                     'like someone possessed'. She's violent, abusive, punches walls and
                    herself. Freddie is terrified for the safety of everyone in the flat.
 
1985 Mch     Sheila has another breakdown - she believes she, the twins and
                    family are possessed by the devil, that the twins are capable of raping
                    and harming her, that exorcism alone could stop this.
 
1985 Mch     Sheila is diagnosed as paranoid schizophrenic and is prescribed the
                    antipsychotic drug, Haloperidol.
 
1985            Sheila meets her birth mother for the first time - a very positive experience
 
1985 Mch-Aug   Care and custody of twins is removed from Sheila 95% of the time
 
1985 July     Sheila's Haloperidol is reduced by 50% - dangerously at odds with
                    guidance that the drug should not be reduced by more than 10% at
                    one time and the results monitored prior to any further reduction.
 
1985 Aug 1?  Sheila shows the effects of Haloperidol withdrawal. the Nurse's
                     statement: Sheila looks unkempt and disturbed at a party, behaves
                     oddly -  it's clear she's schizophrenic and obsessed with Colin.
 
1985 Aug 2?  Sheila appears at 2nd party looking stunning, except for her wild,
                     staring eyes. Ignores twins, unable to help, all she seems interested in
                     is getting Colin's attention.                   
 
1985 Aug 4   Colin takes Sheila to WHF, on the way he rejects her final attempt
                     to reconcile with him and her children
 
1985 Aug 6   June and Nevill, seeing the effects of Sheila's Haloperidol withdrawal
                     and her worsening mental health, tell Sheila they want Sheila and the
                     boys to move near them and the boys fostered there, so that they can
                     provide support.

                     Sheila's flat and lifestyle is paid for by her parents, she is in a hopelessly
                     weak position to refuse to comply.

                     A move near her parents would mean:

                     Living near her manipulative mother
                     Her twins coming under June's control and influence
                     Complete loss of her autonomy and freedom
                     A total change of her lifestyle
                     Sheila recalls only too well how controlled life is with June nearby
                     A return to the misery of her childhood
                     Worst of all: it would mean moving away from London and Colin
                     Yet Colin's totally rejected her
                     What is she to do?

1985 Aug 6   Already suffering the destabilising effects of Haliperidol withdrawal,
                     Sheila's panic stricken reponse to this demand places her under
                     intolerable stress.  She first objects, then does what her parents do:
                     conceals her fears and withdraws into herself. Barely replying to her
                     aunt on the phone. Sheila goes to her room. There, gripped by panic
                     attacks, her mind fragments,
                                     
                     Following hours of increasingly deranged panics, poor Sheila has
                     the severest psychotic hallucinations she has ever had, similar to
                     those that Freddie described, yet worse:

                     Sheila no longer recognises her family. Her voices tell her that they're
                     all devils and that she must save the boys and herself by carrying out the
                     exorcism herself.

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Re: A quiz for Sparks
« Reply #20 on: September 27, 2011, 12:21:AM »
It is so incredibly sad reading this.....
".....when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth" - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

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Re: A quiz for Sparks
« Reply #21 on: September 27, 2011, 12:23:AM »
Phew! Are you sure you gave Sparks enough time Keira? :o

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Re: A quiz for Sparks
« Reply #22 on: September 27, 2011, 12:24:AM »
It is so incredibly sad reading this.....
Yes and it makes it more than possible that Sheila killed her family. Only someone that disturbed could commit such a crime. Jeremy is innocent.

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Re: A quiz for Sparks
« Reply #23 on: September 27, 2011, 12:29:AM »
I don't know if this has been discussed before, apologies if it has.....

Did Sheila have any close friends?

p.s: If it hasn't been discussed before,should this be under a new topic?
« Last Edit: September 27, 2011, 12:31:AM by Blodwynflower »
".....when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth" - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

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Re: A quiz for Sparks
« Reply #24 on: September 27, 2011, 12:33:AM »
Absolutely brilliant, chocho! +1000 And sad too, very sad. What a tragic life this beautiful girl had.

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Re: A quiz for Sparks
« Reply #25 on: September 27, 2011, 12:36:AM »
Phew! Are you sure you gave Sparks enough time Keira? :o


I think Sparks should now produce his own timeline, don't you? I would very much like to see his version of these events.

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Re: A quiz for Sparks
« Reply #26 on: September 27, 2011, 12:58:AM »
I don't know if this has been discussed before, apologies if it has.....

Did Sheila have any close friends?

p.s: If it hasn't been discussed before,should this be under a new topic?

She had Freddie. He seems to me to have loved Sheila and to have been a devoted friend to her. He stopped with her all night when she was in the grip of violent psychotic delusions that terrified Freddie. Yet Sheila loved only Colin and she appears to have rejected Freddie, aside from when she needed to borrow money or to rely on him for support.

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Re: A quiz for Sparks
« Reply #27 on: September 27, 2011, 01:00:AM »
Absolutely brilliant, chocho! +1000 And sad too, very sad. What a tragic life this beautiful girl had.

Thanks, Abs.

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Re: A quiz for Sparks
« Reply #28 on: September 27, 2011, 01:03:AM »
I don't know if this has been discussed before, apologies if it has.....

Did Sheila have any close friends?

p.s: If it hasn't been discussed before,should this be under a new topic?

She had Freddie. He seems to me to have loved Sheila and to have been a devoted friend to her. He stopped with her all night when she was in the grip of violent psychotic delusions that terrified Freddie. Yet Sheila loved only Colin and she appears to have rejected Freddie, aside from when she needed to borrow money or to rely on him for support.

Thankyou for your reply Chochokeira. But I was wondering if she had any close female friends, that she may have confided in?
".....when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth" - Sir Arthur Conan Doyle

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Re: A quiz for Sparks
« Reply #29 on: September 27, 2011, 01:36:AM »
I don't know if this has been discussed before, apologies if it has.....

Did Sheila have any close friends?

p.s: If it hasn't been discussed before,should this be under a new topic?

She had Freddie. He seems to me to have loved Sheila and to have been a devoted friend to her. He stopped with her all night when she was in the grip of violent psychotic delusions that terrified Freddie. Yet Sheila loved only Colin and she appears to have rejected Freddie, aside from when she needed to borrow money or to rely on him for support.

Thankyou for your reply Chochokeira. But I was wondering if she had any close female friends, that she may have confided in?


I can't recall anyone mentioning that Sheila had a close female friend. She might have benefited from belonging to a therapy group where she would have met women like herself, then she might have been and felt less alone. I've read of her going out - to nightclubs with friends, I believe - during the period when she was seeing Freddie, or perhaps once their relationship had ended. But this may have been a factor in Sheila's drug use.