3 circular burn type marks

[OnceSaid]

were reported to be found on Ralphs back.

What caused these marks?

A muzzle?

What else is known about these marks, diameter etc, I tried to do a search but came up with nothing 

[nugnug]

could they have been friction burns of some sort.

[grahameb]

Some think they are rifle burns from the barrel of the gun? But without seeing them it is very hard to say? They may have nothing whatsoever to do with the murders? Just like his black eye. He was punched, apparently by one of the family members. That too could have nothing to do with ralph "putting up a fight"?

[Steve A]

I found this old post, which says that the burn marks weren't on the pyjamas, which may suggest that they were caused prior to the incident, or at least prior to changing for bed.

There doesn't seem to be much information about them though. That I can find at least.

Hi Mike,

The Pathologist actually says 'If not immediately fatal, the combined effect of these four injuries would have been immediate unconsciousness and incapacitation'

So it is the combined effect not any one of the wounds.

Still though i do have a few more questions. From what i can research on the net, the end of a gun barrel does get hot when fired. What i can't find out though is whether it would be hot with a silencer fitted, So would the silencer be hot after being fired through?

If the burn marks on Nevill Bambers back, (it says back not neck in 2002 appeal and that's the only info i have read on this) are attributed to having a gun in the back then why? If Sheila's going nuts then why force Nevill to move somewhere with a gun to his back? Why would Jeremy force Nevill to move anywhere with a gun to his back? If the burns are caused by the end of the gun on skin then this looks like a robbery or certainly a third party committing these murders.

He was wearing pyjamas and I haven't seen it mentioned that the burn marks were also on those.

Maybe the burn marks were previous injuries. It seems to be an issue which was skipped over a bit.

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No corresponding circular marks on the pajamas

[Alias]

I found this old post, which says that the burn marks weren't on the pyjamas, which may suggest that they were caused prior to the incident, or at least prior to changing for bed.

There doesn't seem to be much information about them though. That I can find at least.

Hi Mike,

The Pathologist actually says 'If not immediately fatal, the combined effect of these four injuries would have been immediate unconsciousness and incapacitation'

So it is the combined effect not any one of the wounds.

Still though i do have a few more questions. From what i can research on the net, the end of a gun barrel does get hot when fired. What i can't find out though is whether it would be hot with a silencer fitted, So would the silencer be hot after being fired through?

If the burn marks on Nevill Bambers back, (it says back not neck in 2002 appeal and that's the only info i have read on this) are attributed to having a gun in the back then why? If Sheila's going nuts then why force Nevill to move somewhere with a gun to his back? Why would Jeremy force Nevill to move anywhere with a gun to his back? If the burns are caused by the end of the gun on skin then this looks like a robbery or certainly a third party committing these murders.

He was wearing pyjamas and I haven't seen it mentioned that the burn marks were also on those.

Maybe the burn marks were previous injuries. It seems to be an issue which was skipped over a bit.

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No corresponding circular marks on the pajamas

Those burn marks are a mystery for sure.
It is worth noticing that Nevill had a black eye and burnmarks on his back prior to the murders. Sheila had a gouge on her stomach, which was dressed. Didn't June also have a black eye, or am I remembering it wrongly?
Anyway, signs of violence PRIOR to the night of the murders. Very significant in my opinion!

[Steve A]

I didn't know about June's black eye, strange that they both apparently had one.

Other injuries might not be a sign of prior violence though, maybe just accidents?

[chochokeira]

I found this old post, which says that the burn marks weren't on the pyjamas, which may suggest that they were caused prior to the incident, or at least prior to changing for bed.

There doesn't seem to be much information about them though. That I can find at least.

Hi Mike,

The Pathologist actually says 'If not immediately fatal, the combined effect of these four injuries would have been immediate unconsciousness and incapacitation'

So it is the combined effect not any one of the wounds.

Still though i do have a few more questions. From what i can research on the net, the end of a gun barrel does get hot when fired. What i can't find out though is whether it would be hot with a silencer fitted, So would the silencer be hot after being fired through?

If the burn marks on Nevill Bambers back, (it says back not neck in 2002 appeal and that's the only info i have read on this) are attributed to having a gun in the back then why? If Sheila's going nuts then why force Nevill to move somewhere with a gun to his back? Why would Jeremy force Nevill to move anywhere with a gun to his back? If the burns are caused by the end of the gun on skin then this looks like a robbery or certainly a third party committing these murders.

He was wearing pyjamas and I haven't seen it mentioned that the burn marks were also on those.

Maybe the burn marks were previous injuries. It seems to be an issue which was skipped over a bit.

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No corresponding circular marks on the pajamas

Those burn marks are a mystery for sure.
It is worth noticing that Nevill had a black eye and burnmarks on his back prior to the murders. Sheila had a gouge on her stomach, which was dressed. Didn't June also have a black eye, or am I remembering it wrongly?
Anyway, signs of violence PRIOR to the night of the murders. Very significant in my opinion!

I agree, Abs, these injuries could be very significant.

[chochokeira]

I found this old post, which says that the burn marks weren't on the pyjamas, which may suggest that they were caused prior to the incident, or at least prior to changing for bed.

There doesn't seem to be much information about them though. That I can find at least.

Hi Mike,

The Pathologist actually says 'If not immediately fatal, the combined effect of these four injuries would have been immediate unconsciousness and incapacitation'

So it is the combined effect not any one of the wounds.

Still though i do have a few more questions. From what i can research on the net, the end of a gun barrel does get hot when fired. What i can't find out though is whether it would be hot with a silencer fitted, So would the silencer be hot after being fired through?

If the burn marks on Nevill Bambers back, (it says back not neck in 2002 appeal and that's the only info i have read on this) are attributed to having a gun in the back then why? If Sheila's going nuts then why force Nevill to move somewhere with a gun to his back? Why would Jeremy force Nevill to move anywhere with a gun to his back? If the burns are caused by the end of the gun on skin then this looks like a robbery or certainly a third party committing these murders.

He was wearing pyjamas and I haven't seen it mentioned that the burn marks were also on those.

Maybe the burn marks were previous injuries. It seems to be an issue which was skipped over a bit.

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No corresponding circular marks on the pajamas

Those burn marks are a mystery for sure.
It is worth noticing that Nevill had a black eye and burnmarks on his back prior to the murders. Sheila had a gouge on her stomach, which was dressed. Didn't June also have a black eye, or am I remembering it wrongly?
Anyway, signs of violence PRIOR to the night of the murders. Very significant in my opinion!

I agree, Abs, these injuries could be very significant.

Weren't there reports that Sheila had a tendency to punch herself and others when angry or during psychotic episodes: viz, Freddie's statement that she punched walls and herself, the row with Colin on her 21st birthday, when she punched her had through a plate glass window, Jeremy's statement that Sheila punched one of her sons (in the face?) for interupting her during a family car ride.