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[chochokeira]

 jmhowell84 The Legal News Daily is out! http://t.co/urpIe0I ? Top stories today via @lawfirmrain @bblaw @jackiepreece @shaunjamison @lurajic



Rochy the captains blog with your video has found it's way into  The legal news daily

Brilliant work, Jackie, very well done +1

[andrea]

Choc, fancy going over to wide awake?

[chochokeira]

Choc, fancy going over to wide awake?

Ok

[chochokeira]

Red Light Author Helps In Manhunt
4:35pm UK, Tuesday December 19, 2006

A writer who has been researching Ipswich's red light scene for two years believes police have already likely had "eye-to-eye" contact with the Suffolk serial killer.Ray Hollingsworth, 53, author of The Dirty Blonde at the Cash Machine, was a client of Anneli Alderton. She was one of five prostitutes found murdered in the region.

"I was a client of Anneli's about a year ago," he said."She said her name was Annie and I asked her what it stood for and she had to spell Anneli to me. I knew it was her.

"She was a great girl, very energetic. I picked her up in Ipswich and I said to her 'do you want to come back to Colchester?' because I was researching all this stuff.

"Sometimes there was sex with these girls, but sometimes I just wanted to sit down for half an hour and talk to them and ask them questions for my books."

Mr Hollingsworth, from Colchester, Essex, said he had called the police hotline to tell where the women were having sex.

He said: "I have been in touch with the police and I have sent them all the research work I have done. I want to provide any help I can.

"On Saturday I got in touch with the police because I saw the CCTV footage of Anneli.

"There are over 200 places within a five-mile radius where they might go to have sex."

He added: "I suggested police should search the area around one hotel where the girls go to do their business."

Mr Hollingsworth said he had also helped police in their efforts to track the girls' last known movements.

"Annette Nicholls was thought to have disappeared on the Tuesday, but she was with someone I knew on Thursday or Friday," he said.

Mr Hollingsworth added: "I do think police have had eye-to-eye contact with the killer. I just feel it. I think the killer is known to them, it's a feeling I have."

http://news.sky.com/home/red-light-author-helps-in-manhunt/article/13557881

 

Suffolk police confirmed that Mr Hollingsworth offered his services to them.

Ch Supt Stewart Gull led the murders investigation.

"He was of no help and not a suspect," he said.

Since the murders, the police developed a strategy with other agencies to tackle drug-dependent prostitution.

"Prostitution remains a criminal offence and there is a zero-tolerance approach," said Ch Supt Gill.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/local/suffolk/hi/people_and_places/arts_and_culture/newsid_9346000/9346058.stm

[Jackiepreece]

Sparkfilms
Rather than just relying on what a police officer like Bewes recollects from the night of the murders at WHF and he is someone who quite happlily changes his story when he feels like it I think its sometimes nice to get an impartial opinion



BIOG Mike Pannett was born in York, and joined the Metropolitan Police in 1988. He became one of the youngest officers to be given his own patch, and served on the Divisional Crime Squad, Murder Squad and TSG (Riot Police).He transferred to North Yorkshire police in 1997 as he missed the countryside – and fly fishing! He became a rural beat officer and eventually, a wildlife officer. In 2005 he starred in the BBC’s Country Cops and was inspired to write about his adventures in the North Yorks force.Mike served nearly twenty years in the police, during which he became one of the highest commended officers. He lives with his wife Ann, and their three children in a small village in the shadow of the North Yorkshire moors. ………………………...   

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[boheme]

What has this guy got to do with JB - what looks bad ?

[Jackiepreece]

boheme
sorry you dont understand the post my fault

most people on the forum no I use twitter to raise awareness for jb s case and i post everything related to the case

this author/ex policeman follows me and made the comment it looks bad after seeing Rochy

in fact I am inundated since rochys video with people asking about jb and i am going to post mikes video this afternoon that rochy recomended

i like people like mike pannett taking an interest in jeremys case

[Sparkfilms]

Apologies for my reappearance.

I was due for a break until Christmas.

That will follow this post.

I hope so anyway. Depends who insults me the most.

Met a member of the original defence team today for lunch.

He stated for the record that.

1. Nothing was mentioned at the time about Neville Bamber phoning the police.

2. At no time from the moment police arrived at WHF was there any indication that Shelia or anyone else was alive inside the property. Other than the dog.

3. Shelia Caffell was found dead in the bedroom.


**** ****** is aware of 1 - Neville phone call / as introduced later on - his reply to this is 'it was probably a clerical error'.

He is also aware of 2 - 'in conversation with someone inside the farm' - his response 'misunderstanding'.

He confirmed 3 - 'No doubt in anyone's mind that the young lady died in the bedroom'.

I asked about the extended family and the conjecture that they may have colluded in some way to turn the tide against Jeremy, to which he replied, 'We couldn't find fault with an family involvement as such'.

We had an interesting conversation.

We had an alcohol free lunch, and discussed the fortunes of Essex cricket and Chelmsford City FC as well as WHF.

I payed the bill. £44.82 on my card.

( Mike Pannett? Was he born in D'Arcy or something? Confused, Colchester ).

xxx

[clifford]

Apologies for my reappearance.

I was due for a break until Christmas.

That will follow this post.

I hope so anyway. Depends who insults me the most.

Met a member of the original defence team today for lunch.

He stated for the record that.

1. Nothing was mentioned at the time about Neville Bamber phoning the police.

2. At no time from the moment police arrived at WHF was there any indication that Shelia or anyone else was alive inside the property. Other than the dog.

3. Shelia Caffell was found dead in the bedroom.


**** ****** is aware of 1 - Neville phone call / as introduced later on - his reply to this is 'it was probably a clerical error'.

He is also aware of 2 - 'in conversation with someone inside the farm' - his response 'misunderstanding'.

He confirmed 3 - 'No doubt in anyone's mind that the young lady died in the bedroom'.

I asked about the extended family and the conjecture that they may have colluded in some way to turn the tide against Jeremy, to which he replied, 'We couldn't find fault with an family involvement as such'.

We had an interesting conversation.

We had an alcohol free lunch, and discussed the fortunes of Essex cricket and Chelmsford City FC as well as WHF.

I payed the bill. £44.82 on my card.

xxx

You are turning out to be a bit like Harters, who cannot keep away.
There is no mention as to who this defence member may be, and so we have to believe that what you are saying is true.
£44. 82 seems a lot for a lunch, with no booze. I can suggest a lot cheaper dining place with booze.
This defence team member you speak of, was he the gofor Sparks.

[clifford]

Hi, Ann me again,
                         Sorry you could not get back to me, but I understand that you may be busy.
How is old Tone. I hope he is recovering now.
It was a bit dodgy taking his rifle away from WHF when he was not autherised to do so, still alls well that ends well. Meant to ask you what did your dad think of this.
Apparently Dave blew all the money that was inherited. Lifes a bitch.
do you still take in laundry.
Speak to you again soon. Missing you already, Cliff.

[smiffy]

Hi Ann...you like the rest of them, must be worried the truth comes out and everyone realises what sort of person you really are..
No sympathy for Anthony...all that fretting about if it gets out he lied his head off must have been a terrible pressure for him...ahh self inflicted...is it true Regine gave him loads of grief over it?..tut tut.

keep up the work with the laundry...they have those sort of duties in prison..
ta ra for now..

[jon]

Can someone put up , the interview with JB solicitor complaining about material withheld from the defence , it was on here a few month's back ?

[ngb1066]

Apologies for my reappearance.

I was due for a break until Christmas.

That will follow this post.

I hope so anyway. Depends who insults me the most.

Met a member of the original defence team today for lunch.

He stated for the record that.

1. Nothing was mentioned at the time about Neville Bamber phoning the police.

2. At no time from the moment police arrived at WHF was there any indication that Shelia or anyone else was alive inside the property. Other than the dog.

3. Shelia Caffell was found dead in the bedroom.


**** ****** is aware of 1 - Neville phone call / as introduced later on - his reply to this is 'it was probably a clerical error'.

He is also aware of 2 - 'in conversation with someone inside the farm' - his response 'misunderstanding'.

He confirmed 3 - 'No doubt in anyone's mind that the young lady died in the bedroom'.

I asked about the extended family and the conjecture that they may have colluded in some way to turn the tide against Jeremy, to which he replied, 'We couldn't find fault with an family involvement as such'.

We had an interesting conversation.

We had an alcohol free lunch, and discussed the fortunes of Essex cricket and Chelmsford City FC as well as WHF.

I payed the bill. £44.82 on my card.

( Mike Pannett? Was he born in D'Arcy or something? Confused, Colchester ).

xxx

Sparkfilms - your post bothers me as it is not just speculation, which can do no real harm, it is information which you are suggesting is in effect inside information.  That can be far more damaging.  You are suggesting in your post that several of Jeremy Bamber's grounds of appeal have been fabricated, and this needs to be challenged.  Before doing that it is important to make the point that a member of Jeremy Bamber's original defence team is still bound by a duty of confidentiality, even 25 years after his trial.  I assume that the person you have spoken to worked at the time for Kingsley Napley who were Jeremy Bamber's solicitors at trial. If that person is a solicitor he/she is guilty of professional misconduct.

Turning to the points your contact made, "for the record":

1. Nothing was mentioned at the trial about Nevill phoning the police because there was no evidence at that stage that he had phoned the police.  The evidence which subsequently came to light was contained in the event log, which was not disclosed to the defence until after the 2002 appeal.  How was Jeremy Bamber supposed to know that his father may have called the police? This is not a valid point at all. 
2. The evidence supporting the assertion that Sheila may have been alive in the house after the police arrived is again contained in the documents only disclosed to the defence years after the trial.  The event log records the police being "in conversation with someone inside", and also records that upon entry two bodies were found downstairs.  The statement of WPC Jeapes reveals that she saw a rifle in the upstairs window before the police entered.  At the time Jeremy Bamber was nowhere near the house and therefore did not have any knowledge of these important points.
3. Of course there was no doubt as far as the defence were concerned that Sheila died in the bedroom as they were told that was where her body was found.  The evidence which casts doubt upon this is again the evidence only obtained years after the trial.

As far as the family are concerned it is correct that the decision was taken by the defence at trial not to make the direct allegation that relatives had conspired to secure a conviction.  This was a tactical decision of a sort which frequently confronts a defence team.  Whatever the suspicions of Jeremy Bamber about the role played by his relatives there was not at that time any firm evidence to back up those suspicions.  The evidence which has come to light since the trial casts a very different light upon this aspect of the case.

I may be reading too much into your last few posts but you certainly give the impression that you have shifted your position to such an extent that you are now firmly in the "guilty" camp.  That is of course your prerogative but what makes me feel uneasy is that you seem to be denigrating the campaign on behalf of Jeremy Bamber.  Apart from the specific "anti Bamber" points which I have just answered your last two posts referring to insults and saying you are not going to post further almost seem to be taunting those on the forum who support Jeremy Bamber's campaign to have all the withheld evidence disclosed and to have his case referred back to the Court of Appeal.

             

[Jackiepreece]

Cliff the legend you must be well up on Anne Eatons hit list tucked in right behind me and I wonder how Anne feels about JB having a free barrister at his disposal who would normally cost between £700 to maybe £1000 an hours. Good times

Sparkfilms has lost all credibility so shut the door on the way out and continue your research in the red light district of Ipswich for book no 2 and I am feeling a sense of panic  from the direction of WHF right now with all these Hartley/sparks stories being spread about

It's all a bit embarrassing really zzzzz

[clifford]

Cliff the legend you must be well up on Anne Eatons hit list tucked in right behind me and I wonder how Anne feels about JB having a free barrister at his disposal who would normally cost between £700 to maybe £1000 an hours. Good times

Sparkfilms has lost all credibility so shut the door on the way out and continue your research in the red light district of Ipswich for book no 2 and I am feeling a sense of panic  from the direction of WHF right now with all these Hartley/sparks stories being spread about

It's all a bit embarrassing really zzzzz
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AW shucks. I only wanted to chat