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[boheme]

If you had seen your whole family killed and now it was your turn I would think one would do anything to get it over with as quickly as possible - If Sheila had a gun held to her head I think she would have got into any position the killer wanted just to get it over with. For the bible I expect they had probably discussed Sheila's problems with thinking her children were possesed by the Devil, the bible page was opened to support the staging of her suicide, a few hours research before hand would show which part was relevant and I am sure there were no lack of bibles in that household. What happened to the suicide note ? Why would the Police destroy such an obvious piece of evidence if it existed.

[grahameb]

For someone to have done this thing would have had to be terribly terribly disturbed. Sheila was exactly that. By far the majority, (except those whose minds are predisposed) who has met and talked with Jeremy Bamber have found him quite normal mentally. That on its own is verification that he is completely innocent of the crimes that he was convicted of.

[Alias]

If you had seen your whole family killed and now it was your turn I would think one would do anything to get it over with as quickly as possible - If Sheila had a gun held to her head I think she would have got into any position the killer wanted just to get it over with. For the bible I expect they had probably discussed Sheila's problems with thinking her children were possesed by the Devil, the bible page was opened to support the staging of her suicide, a few hours research before hand would show which part was relevant and I am sure there were no lack of bibles in that household. What happened to the suicide note ? Why would the Police destroy such an obvious piece of evidence if it existed.

I find this scenario implausible. She would have fought her children´s murderer, not compliantly laid down and shot herself at his command.

[bob]

By far the majority, (except those whose minds are predisposed) who has met and talked with Jeremy Bamber have found him quite normal mentally. That on its own is verification that he is completely innocent of the crimes that he was convicted of.

I must diagree with this Grahame. John Wayne Gacy, for example, was a pillar of the community, and loved by many. Didn't stop him being a complete psycho nutter killer in his spare time.

I'm not saying JB is anything like Gacy - I'm just saying that the statement in bold cannot be true.

[nugnug]

thats true being well respected and liked dosent make you innocent.

[jon]

By far the majority, (except those whose minds are predisposed) who has met and talked with Jeremy Bamber have found him quite normal mentally. That on its own is verification that he is completely innocent of the crimes that he was convicted of.

I must diagree with this Grahame. John Wayne Gacy, for example, was a pillar of the community, and loved by many. Didn't stop him being a complete psycho nutter killer in his spare time.

I'm not saying JB is anything like Gacy - I'm just saying that the statement in bold cannot be true.

Gacy was a psychopath , JB is not !!

[OnceSaid]

Since conviction , and possibly an assement prior to the trial, JB has undergone a number of psychological assessments by 27 different psychologists. Each of them over numerous hours, days and weeks carried out numerous tests on him.

"The most recent assessment of me was carried out last in 2009 by Professor Vincent Egan a Chartered Clinical psychologist and senior lecturer in forensic psychology at Leicester University. He was provided with my complete psychological file and all my medical records. He also interviewed me, and I completed various psychological tests before he wrote his report on me.

His conclusion is that I am not a psychopath. During the last quarter of a century and twenty seven different psychologists, not a single one of these experts has concluded that I show any traits consistent with psychopathy".

JB has also had 3 P.C.L.R tests that are designed specifically to reveal psychopathy and all 3 concluded the same, JB is not a psychopath.

[nugnug]

yes but psychopaths arnt easy to spot if there were they wouldn't be a problem

its not like a normal mental illness were the symptoms are obvious.

[jon]

yes but psychopaths arnt easy to spot if there were they wouldn't be a problem

its not like a normal mental illness were the symptoms are obvious.

Like paranoid schizophrenics ?

[grahameb]

By far the majority, (except those whose minds are predisposed) who has met and talked with Jeremy Bamber have found him quite normal mentally. That on its own is verification that he is completely innocent of the crimes that he was convicted of.

I must diagree with this Grahame. John Wayne Gacy, for example, was a pillar of the community, and loved by many. Didn't stop him being a complete psycho nutter killer in his spare time.

I'm not saying JB is anything like Gacy - I'm just saying that the statement in bold cannot be true.

The emphasis is on the majority who have met JB.

[grahameb]

yes but psychopaths arnt easy to spot if there were they wouldn't be a problem

its not like a normal mental illness were the symptoms are obvious.

Like paranoid schizophrenics ?

Exactly. You could say exactly the same about Sheila. But she WAS a paranoid schizophrenic. JB has been assessed and found to be completely sane,

[HMEssex]

If you had seen your whole family killed and now it was your turn I would think one would do anything to get it over with as quickly as possible - If Sheila had a gun held to her head I think she would have got into any position the killer wanted just to get it over with. For the bible I expect they had probably discussed Sheila's problems with thinking her children were possesed by the Devil, the bible page was opened to support the staging of her suicide, a few hours research before hand would show which part was relevant and I am sure there were no lack of bibles in that household. What happened to the suicide note ? Why would the Police destroy such an obvious piece of evidence if it existed.

Really?!  You think they took time out to hold a Bible discussion?

[OnceSaid]

yes but psychopaths arnt easy to spot if there were they wouldn't be a problem

its not like a normal mental illness were the symptoms are obvious.

Nugnug JB is a cat A prisoner, with a life meaning life sentence.  Dont you think that at least one of these 27 psychologists, if they could find the slightestest tendencies in JB psychological profile they would have reported on it and used it by now to brand him a psychopath.

I am of the opinion that JB will be scrutinised 24/7 for every day he has been incarcerated, as they will be looking for something concrete, anything, to label him a pyscopath.

[nugnug]

well they often diagnose people with illnesse and personality disorders they dont have whos to say they cant get wrong the other way.

i admit 27 of them is a high mark to pass.

[grahameb]

well they often diagnose people with illnesse and personality disorders they dont have whos to say they cant get wrong the other way.

i admit 27 of them is a high mark to pass.

Well I know giving them the benefit of the doubt is right in one way. But to go against 27 phsycologists is taking the buscuit somewhat. All they need is just one of those to say he was criminally insane and he'd be off to Broadmoor before his feet touched the ground given all those who wish him evil.