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« Reply #315 on: September 03, 2011, 01:30:PM »
Captain ranty only started following me a few days ago what a nice guy

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CaptainRanty http://captainranty.blogspot.com/2011/09/gross-injustice-jeremy-bamber-story.html Here it is Jackie. Let me know what you think.

CaptainRanty Fantastic! Thanks. I'll wing you a DM when it's up.
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jackiepreece Hi Thank-you so much 4 the offer, I was just on the phone speaking to Jeremy when your post came through. Jeremy would love u to do a piece?
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CaptainRanty Sorry I missed this Jackie. It absolutely stinks! Can I do a piece on this story? Why do the police imagine they can hide stuff like this?

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« Reply #316 on: September 03, 2011, 01:46:PM »
By the way, I know I've mentioned the SteelMagnolia blog a few times but whoever is behind it will love Sparks' post.  Sparks, you are actually mentioned on that blog (plugging your book?). I don't know who is behind SteelMagnolia ? but they pinch anything negative from this forum, including the Horsey Dave posts.



roch, steelmagnolia, do he/she have any links to youknowwhokilledyoudontyou? site?

http://steelmagnolia-gossips.blogspot.com/

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« Reply #317 on: September 03, 2011, 01:59:PM »
By the way, I know I've mentioned the SteelMagnolia blog a few times but whoever is behind it will love Sparks' post.  Sparks, you are actually mentioned on that blog (plugging your book?). I don't know who is behind SteelMagnolia ? but they pinch anything negative from this forum, including the Horsey Dave posts.



roch, steelmagnolia, do he/she have any links to youknowwhokilledyoudontyou? site?

Yes it is linked to the site you mention. It seems hard to access directly.  Sometimes when you google about JB or Mike Tesko, you will come across a pink  or purple paged site entitled 'Jersey Abuse Scandal' or 'Jersey Abuse Blog'?  It can be accessed from there.  I would love to know who SteelMagnolia is.  I have seen them give a bit of ground when commenting upon Mike Tesko's posts on various sites over the past few years (Mike must have been at this night and day on any relevant site he could find).  But for the most part Steelmagnolia tends to go for the Bamber guilty type posts. He describes Mike Tesko as a 'spin doctor'.  Exactly why anyone would want to perform the role of 'Spin Doctor' to a child killer is never explained (or understood by my self). 

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Re: An acid test for forum members
« Reply #318 on: September 03, 2011, 02:11:PM »
More support for Jeremy from my new friend on twitter capatain ranty who thinks Rochys video is brilliant
 brilliant blog abt the Jeremy Bamber case http://t.co/v83PyQe

Thank you very much for getting the vid this kind of airing jackie.  Please pass on my thanks to the captain.

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« Reply #319 on: September 03, 2011, 02:37:PM »
Good morning campers,

Everything came down to Mugford's word.

Mugford said that the content of Jeremy's call on the morning of 7th August included

'Everything is going well'

'I haven't had any sleep all night'

It's Mugford v Bamber

On the evening of 7th of August Mugford asks Jeremy if he did it.

His answer is that McDonald did it. This is the first time he has mentioned it according to her.

It's Mugford v Bamber

Mugford later tells the police that part of the plot was for McDonald to phone out to Goldhanger from WHF.

Thus creating an alibi - captured on memory redial.


Mugford tells the police that Jeremy told her that McDonald had got Shelia to lie down and shoot herself.

McDonald ( for whatever reason ) tells someone in a houseshare that this was how it happened.

McDonald says ( for whatever reason ) that he was still there when the police arrived.

McDonald says ( for whatever reason ) that he was watching the police outside.
McDonald states ( for whatever reason ) that the old fella put up one hell of a fight.

If the police believe Mugford it's become

Bamber / McDonald

Myall's statement 'unidentified male at the window' may refer to McDonaldIf the police bite on the alibi that McDonald has given

Well then it still leaves them with

Bamber

I think this is a scenario that the police alluded to when they said you don't have to pull the trigger to be implicated in murder.

If Mugford had knowledge of a plot to kill prior to 6th August and that a hitman had been hired then she was facing a long prison term.

Which leads to a cameo from the said phone call Bamber to Mugford

namely

'Something is wrong at the farm'

What could this mean?

Had the hitman been delayed in making the phone call to Goldhanger?

Of course, as others so rightly say

Mugford changed her story on a number of occasions.

By the time Mugford mentioned the McDonald link family members may have had an opportunity to influence her. I'm not sure on this though.

By my understanding McDonald had no alibi as such.

The mystery to me is this.

If the police thought that an unidentified male had been seen in the window then the immediate version of 4 murders and a suicide would never have been released.

Maybe Jeremy hadn't slept all night.

And maybe Mugford hadn't either.

There is a hint of a plot between Bamber and Mugford.

As they had already conspired in the past they were effectively partners in crime - but on what scale?

So it comes down to this

Mugford v Bamber

or Mugford and Bamber

( and possibly the hitman ).

The caravan park robbery was a big mistake.

The other crimes, some known to Essex Police and some unreported were a big mistake too.

With that kind of track record you leave yourself wide open.



This will be my last post or a while so save the insults for another time - Christmas will do nicely.

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There is a fundamental flaw with the version of events now favoured by Sparkfilms.  If McDonald was the murderer and called Jeremy at Goldhanger from WHF, he presumably did so after killing everyone there.  Having received the call from McDonald Jeremy called Julie Mugford at around 3.00 am and then called the police.  The police arrived at WHF at about 3.40 am followed by Jeremy a couple of minutes later.  Why was MacDonald still in the house?  Why would he wait there for at least 40 minutes after calling Jeremy and until after the police had arrived before making his escape?  I am afraid this version of events is a complete non starter as far as I am concerned.


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Re: An acid test for forum members
« Reply #320 on: September 03, 2011, 02:39:PM »
i dont think there was a hitman at all ngb.

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Re: An acid test for forum members
« Reply #321 on: September 03, 2011, 02:52:PM »
i dont think there was a hitman at all ngb.

Nor do I.  I agree with what Abs posted earlier.  The suggestion that a hitman could have been hired for £2000 is ludicrous.  In addition I believe that it would have been extremely difficult to find any hitman willing to slaughter not only three adults but also two young children.  The hitman theory is as far as I am concerned a non starter.

As I have posted earlier I do not believe that McDonald ever claimed to have committed the murders at WHF.  Not only would that have been very dangerous for him but it would have provoked revulsion rather than admiration in any circles.  Bragging about a ficticious past as a mercenary is one thing, bragging about murdering young children is very different.



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« Reply #322 on: September 03, 2011, 02:56:PM »
i dont think there was a hitman at all ngb.

Nor do I.  I agree with what Abs posted earlier.  The suggestion that a hitman could have been hired for £2000 is ludicrous.  In addition I believe that it would have been extremely difficult to find any hitman willing to slaughter not only three adults but two young children.  The hitman theory is as far as I am concerned a non starter.


yep, i agree.

IMO the evidence so far points to sheila.

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Re: An acid test for forum members
« Reply #323 on: September 03, 2011, 03:09:PM »
i dont think there was a hitman at all ngb.

Nor do I.  I agree with what Abs posted earlier.  The suggestion that a hitman could have been hired for £2000 is ludicrous.  In addition I believe that it would have been extremely difficult to find any hitman willing to slaughter not only three adults but two young children.  The hitman theory is as far as I am concerned a non starter.


yep, i agree.

IMO the evidence so far points to sheila.

I agree, it does.

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Re: An acid test for forum members
« Reply #324 on: September 03, 2011, 03:31:PM »
The main reason I do NOT  think it was Sheila is her lack of injuries after the fight with Ralph, the difficulty of her killing 4 people on her own and the fact she is supposed to have shot herself once in the kitchen, run upstairs and then shot herself again. I have no doubt that the family planted the silencer and were involved in the paint scratch marks..... For me the hit man theory is not as implausible as people think, at least it fits the facts and explains how Sheila was shot 2 times in an execution style killing whilst lying prone on the floor. It also explains the lack of injuries to JB and the telephone alibi for him. I would concur with Sparks chain of events that night but would welcome the release of the evidence held by Essex Police - it must point to a cover up of some kind on their part.

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« Reply #325 on: September 03, 2011, 03:47:PM »
The main reason I do NOT  think it was Sheila is her lack of injuries after the fight with Ralph, the difficulty of her killing 4 people on her own and the fact she is supposed to have shot herself once in the kitchen, run upstairs and then shot herself again. I have no doubt that the family planted the silencer and were involved in the paint scratch marks..... For me the hit man theory is not as implausible as people think, at least it fits the facts and explains how Sheila was shot 2 times in an execution style killing whilst lying prone on the floor. It also explains the lack of injuries to JB and the telephone alibi for him. I would concur with Sparks chain of events that night but would welcome the release of the evidence held by Essex Police - it must point to a cover up of some kind on their part.
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Re: An acid test for forum members
« Reply #326 on: September 03, 2011, 03:55:PM »
The main reason I do NOT  think it was Sheila is her lack of injuries after the fight with Ralph, the difficulty of her killing 4 people on her own and the fact she is supposed to have shot herself once in the kitchen, run upstairs and then shot herself again. I have no doubt that the family planted the silencer and were involved in the paint scratch marks..... For me the hit man theory is not as implausible as people think, at least it fits the facts and explains how Sheila was shot 2 times in an execution style killing whilst lying prone on the floor. It also explains the lack of injuries to JB and the telephone alibi for him. I would concur with Sparks chain of events that night but would welcome the release of the evidence held by Essex Police - it must point to a cover up of some kind on their part.
The majority of attackers have less injuries on them than the person they attack.

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« Reply #327 on: September 03, 2011, 04:22:PM »


how on earth did they get her to lay still whilst they put a gun under her chin twice and shot her?
how did the hitman know at which pages to leave the bible open at?


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Re: An acid test for forum members
« Reply #328 on: September 03, 2011, 04:27:PM »
Good morning campers,

Everything came down to Mugford's word.

Mugford said that the content of Jeremy's call on the morning of 7th August included

'Everything is going well'

'I haven't had any sleep all night'

It's Mugford v Bamber

On the evening of 7th of August Mugford asks Jeremy if he did it.

His answer is that McDonald did it. This is the first time he has mentioned it according to her.

It's Mugford v Bamber

Mugford later tells the police that part of the plot was for McDonald to phone out to Goldhanger from WHF.

Thus creating an alibi - captured on memory redial.

Mugford tells the police that Jeremy told her that McDonald had got Shelia to lie down and shoot herself.McDonald ( for whatever reason ) tells someone in a houseshare that this was how it happened.

McDonald says ( for whatever reason ) that he was still there when the police arrived.

McDonald says ( for whatever reason ) that he was watching the police outside.

McDonald states ( for whatever reason ) that the old fella put up one hell of a fight.

If the police believe Mugford it's become

Bamber / McDonald

Myall's statement 'unidentified male at the window' may refer to McDonald

If the police bite on the alibi that McDonald has given

Well then it still leaves them with

Bamber

I think this is a scenario that the police alluded to when they said you don't have to pull the trigger to be implicated in murder.

If Mugford had knowledge of a plot to kill prior to 6th August and that a hitman had been hired then she was facing a long prison term.

Which leads to a cameo from the said phone call Bamber to Mugford

namely

'Something is wrong at the farm'

What could this mean?

Had the hitman been delayed in making the phone call to Goldhanger?

Of course, as others so rightly say

Mugford changed her story on a number of occasions.

By the time Mugford mentioned the McDonald link family members may have had an opportunity to influence her. I'm not sure on this though.

By my understanding McDonald had no alibi as such.

The mystery to me is this.

If the police thought that an unidentified male had been seen in the window then the immediate version of 4 murders and a suicide would never have been released.

Maybe Jeremy hadn't slept all night.

And maybe Mugford hadn't either.

There is a hint of a plot between Bamber and Mugford.

As they had already conspired in the past they were effectively partners in crime - but on what scale?

So it comes down to this

Mugford v Bamber

or Mugford and Bamber

( and possibly the hitman ).

The caravan park robbery was a big mistake.

The other crimes, some known to Essex Police and some unreported were a big mistake too.

With that kind of track record you leave yourself wide open.



This will be my last post or a while so save the insults for another time - Christmas will do nicely.

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Oh, really? A plumber walks into your home in the middle of the night and tells you to lie down and shoot yourself - and you just do it?!
He must have had some extraordinary persuasive skills!

And ngb is very right. You don't stroll around bragging about having killed little kids. Child killers rank as the lowest of the low.  All this information isn't plausible in my opinion, Sparks. I wouldn't trust a word that comes out of that source's mouth. She probably doesn't want to disappoint you, and gathers she has to give you "something", so she adds bits and pieces and whole chunks.
Sparkfilms, sorry to say it, but I think you rely on unsubstantiated gossip in this case. It seems a bit naive on your part.

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« Reply #329 on: September 03, 2011, 04:27:PM »


how on earth did they get her to lay still whilst they put a gun under her chin twice and shot her?
how did the hitman know at which pages to leave the bible open at?
Because you can make anyone do anything....in your own imagination that is.