An acid test for forum members

[Jackiepreece]

As Sparkfilms as put me in a bad mood talking about his mate Bewes I was thinking about the comparison between muggy and Maxine Carr  they both perverted the course of justice yet in my opinion muggys behaviour was far worse than Carrs with her visit to the mortuary

Yet no prison for her like Carr

I cannot bear to think of her in the mortuary looking at the twins bodies

[andrea]

another thing about muggy.

at colins party julie read the twins a bedtime story, which colin felt bad about afterwards because he never got the chance to do it again.

how could she have done that knowing that j was planning to murder them? i just dont buy the fact she says j told her he planned to wipe them all out.

[mertol22]

i watched earlier today the youtube guardian clip with Bewes talking, i will keep my thoughts to myself what i think of him.

[Jackiepreece]

RT @dawn_ballard: @Bambertweets hi jeremy, i was 15 when i met you at st josephs nursing home, i helped look after your grandmother, i remember u all fondlyxx



A message on twitter from someone who met Jeremy years ago

[mertol22]

There exists not one grain of proof Jeremy said words to that effect not one , only the lies of Mugford.

[mertol22]

I was up till 1.30 am last night in bedford talking to a friend of mine , he has a real problem with the in his words the choice sellect pictures shown to the jury in Jeremys trial, compared to how many they were actually in posession of, he said 1st thing Jeremy did not have a fair trial, my friend is a photragapher, land , live models still ect.staged selection was our verdict.

[Sparkfilms]

Good morning campers,

Everything came down to Mugford's word.

Mugford said that the content of Jeremy's call on the morning of 7th August included

'Everything is going well'

'I haven't had any sleep all night'

It's Mugford v Bamber

On the evening of 7th of August Mugford asks Jeremy if he did it.

His answer is that McDonald did it. This is the first time he has mentioned it according to her.

It's Mugford v Bamber

Mugford later tells the police that part of the plot was for McDonald to phone out to Goldhanger from WHF.

Thus creating an alibi - captured on memory redial.

Mugford tells the police that Jeremy told her that McDonald had got Shelia to lie down and shoot herself.

McDonald ( for whatever reason ) tells someone in a houseshare that this was how it happened.

McDonald says ( for whatever reason ) that he was still there when the police arrived.

McDonald says ( for whatever reason ) that he was watching the police outside.

McDonald states ( for whatever reason ) that the old fella put up one hell of a fight.

If the police believe Mugford it's become

Bamber / McDonald

Myall's statement 'unidentified male at the window' may refer to McDonald

If the police bite on the alibi that McDonald has given

Well then it still leaves them with

Bamber

I think this is a scenario that the police alluded to when they said you don't have to pull the trigger to be implicated in murder.

If Mugford had knowledge of a plot to kill prior to 6th August and that a hitman had been hired then she was facing a long prison term.

Which leads to a cameo from the said phone call Bamber to Mugford

namely

'Something is wrong at the farm'

What could this mean?

Had the hitman been delayed in making the phone call to Goldhanger?

Of course, as others so rightly say

Mugford changed her story on a number of occasions.

By the time Mugford mentioned the McDonald link family members may have had an opportunity to influence her. I'm not sure on this though.

By my understanding McDonald had no alibi as such.

The mystery to me is this.

If the police thought that an unidentified male had been seen in the window then the immediate version of 4 murders and a suicide would never have been released.

Maybe Jeremy hadn't slept all night.

And maybe Mugford hadn't either.

There is a hint of a plot between Bamber and Mugford.

As they had already conspired in the past they were effectively partners in crime - but on what scale?

So it comes down to this

Mugford v Bamber

or Mugford and Bamber

( and possibly the hitman ).

The caravan park robbery was a big mistake.

The other crimes, some known to Essex Police and some unreported were a big mistake too.

With that kind of track record you leave yourself wide open.



This will be my last post or a while so save the insults for another time - Christmas will do nicely.

xxx

[smiffy]

Hopeless....stick to filling books with nonsense.
It can be totally ripped apart as far to many errors and cannot have happened as you claim.

[grahameb]

another thing about muggy.

at colins party julie read the twins a bedtime story, which colin felt bad about afterwards because he never got the chance to do it again.

how could she have done that knowing that j was planning to murder them? i just dont buy the fact she says j told her he planned to wipe them all out.

Very good point Andrea. Either she is a very good lyer? Or a heartless accomplice to JB? She has to be one of those.

[grahameb]

RT @dawn_ballard: @Bambertweets hi jeremy, i was 15 when i met you at st josephs nursing home, i helped look after your grandmother, i remember u all fondlyxx



A message on twitter from someone who met Jeremy years ago

St Joseph'e Danbury? How does that fit in with her being at Vaulty Manor as well?

[VORTEX]

As if muggy knew jeremy killed the twins

She wouldn't have gone a million miles near those twins bodies if she knew JB has killed them

Jackie - completely agree with you on this. This part of the story doesn't fit with her later version of events and I actually think it would be unbearable for her to view the bodies if she had ANY prior knowledge or background information to the murders. The viewing of the bodies is quite a key point for me.

[Roch]

It's a very interesting scenario Sparks.  I'm gonna come back to it later today and try to give an opinion point by point. 

[Roch]

By the way, I know I've mentioned the SteelMagnolia blog a few times but whoever is behind it will love Sparks' post.  Sparks, you are actually mentioned on that blog (plugging your book?). I don't know who is behind SteelMagnolia ? but they pinch anything negative from this forum, including the Horsey Dave posts. 

[Jackiepreece]

More support for Jeremy from my new friend on twitter capatain ranty who thinks Rochys video is brilliant
 brilliant blog abt the Jeremy Bamber case http://t.co/v83PyQe 

[andrea]

By the way, I know I've mentioned the SteelMagnolia blog a few times but whoever is behind it will love Sparks' post.  Sparks, you are actually mentioned on that blog (plugging your book?). I don't know who is behind SteelMagnolia ? but they pinch anything negative from this forum, including the Horsey Dave posts.

roch, steelmagnolia, do he/she have any links to youknowwhokilledyoudontyou? site?