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mertol22

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« Reply #60 on: August 29, 2011, 11:22:PM »
this is mentioned in Colins book the twins crying and recieving a big hug from Colin

andrea

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« Reply #61 on: August 29, 2011, 11:25:PM »
it is mertol, the twins wanted colin to have word with neville and june about the praying thing, and also about one of the twins not eating meat, he didnt want to eat meat and june shouted at him because of it, and neville would say you wont be big and strong like grandpa if you dont eat meat. But the twin (forgot which one) was quite serious about it.

Sparkfilms

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« Reply #62 on: August 29, 2011, 11:30:PM »
For Choc re. Bible - sorry, should have explained better - the Bible was growing in importance at WHF, not elsewhere, certainly not in the 80's.

If you know the area it is likely we will know the same people.

We might even know one another.

Were you in Beckenham Road when a young driver ( me ) wrote off a Capri and a milk float at 5am in 1974? When the police arrived they couldn't find the milkman - it was me that found him ( alive ) in the ditch on the bend.


Jackiepreece

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« Reply #63 on: August 29, 2011, 11:34:PM »
Sparkfilms it's strange you say that people in the area are 50 to one against JB because didn't the landlord of his local defend him in court and he must have known JB well so must most of the locals in the pub because he would swap potatoes  for his meals

andrea

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« Reply #64 on: August 29, 2011, 11:34:PM »
For Choc re. Bible - sorry, should have explained better - the Bible was growing in importance at WHF, not elsewhere, certainly not in the 80's.

If you know the area it is likely we will know the same people.

We might even know one another.

Were you in Beckenham Road when a young driver ( me ) wrote off a Capri and a milk float at 5am in 1974? When the police arrived they couldn't find the milkman - it was me that found him ( alive ) in the ditch on the bend.




would you agree sparks, that whoever did the shootings would have had to know which pages the bible should be left open at? they were specific.

chochokeira

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« Reply #65 on: August 29, 2011, 11:46:PM »
i agree choc, just one point worries me though, and that is sheila being without under wear.

if she had done the ritual cleaning, which is possible, as its common in suicides.Why didnt she put any underwear back on?

i cant see it being down to a weight thing as i dont think she was that vain, one friend said at a party she looked a mess, and the next day she was looking nice, hair, clothes etc


I don't see Sheila, if she was the murderer, as being at all rational, Andrea.

I'm no expert on schizophrenia, but I did study it as part of my degree course, in particular, the work of RD Lang, a famous psychologist who did some interesting research on how instrumentally important the influence of the family is in triggering this illness. Lang went too far with his conclusions, so these were flawed, but some of his work is still relevent and valuable.

One aspect of schizophrenia that I feel is highly relevent to this case is that of the demonic voices which most schizophrenics hear. These voices are perceived by schizophrenics as totally real and as belonging to real demons that have possessed the sufferer and which control their lives.

We know, because Sheila's psychiatrist made a statement to this effect, that Sheila heard these demonic voices and that she believed these were the voices of the devil. Sheila believed without a shadow of doubt that she - and June and probably her sons - were possessed and controlled by the devil.

Sheila's psychologist stated that Sheila believed that she and June required a service of Exorcism to end this possession and that it was Sheila's view that, if she could not have Exorcism, or Exorcism did not end this possession, then she did not wish to live.

Poor Sheila must have been horribly tormented by these voices and by what she believed to be the devil within her. Her life must have been an absolute misery, in particular once her medication was reduced.

From what I've read of other schizophrenics who believed themselves to be possessed by demons or the Devil, the voices of whatever it was that they believed possessed them were often in total control of the poor afflicted person's life.

The demonic voices might instruct the schizophrenic to comply with any manner of irrational instructions and the schizophrenic would often comply. The sufferer might hear the voice instructing her/ him to walk about naked in the snow, to scream and shout, to eat or to stop eating, to get drunk, or even to kill others or to kill themself and the sufferer would often comply, or try to.

I believe that, had Sheila's demonic voices instructed Sheila:

"I order you to go and shoot yourself now!"

Then she might well have complied without a second thought of whether or not she was wearing knickers.

Sparkfilms

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« Reply #66 on: August 29, 2011, 11:52:PM »
For Jackie...

I'm not saying it my friend is. It's the circle he is in. He did work on the farm though in the early 80's and mentioned how Neville would actually go and collect him for work when his vehicle was off the road.

My own findings would probably equate to about 25 to 1 against.

This includes journalists from Colchester Gazette, Essex Chronicle, Daily Express, Guardian, East Anglian Daily Times, Daily Star ( sorry, it's not quite a newspaper ) and then we have the turn around at the Daily Mail that Woofinden brought about a few months ago. Trouble is, when Woof changed colours, quite a few of them followed suit.

25 to 1 against are my findings - I'm sure others will be able to improve on this.




andrea

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« Reply #67 on: August 29, 2011, 11:55:PM »
but the ritual cleaning and preparing for suicide wouldnt have been prompted by voices in her head, the ritual cleaning happens often in suicides even those who werent psychotic, that is the only thing that niggles me, the fact she wasnt wearing underwear.

andrea

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« Reply #68 on: August 30, 2011, 12:00:AM »
At one time i thought sheila had been caught short by her period, but she cant have been, she brought tampons to whf with her, so she was expecting her period.

Jackiepreece

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« Reply #69 on: August 30, 2011, 12:05:AM »
Sparkfilms your 50 to 1 or 25 to 1 how does that figure come about?
Did they know Jeremy?

andrea

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« Reply #70 on: August 30, 2011, 12:15:AM »
evening jack!

chochokeira

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« Reply #71 on: August 30, 2011, 12:30:AM »

For Choc re. Bible - sorry, should have explained better - the Bible was growing in importance at WHF, not elsewhere, certainly not in the 80's.

I entirely agree with you that the Bible was of growing importance at WHF, Sparks, as Sheila had become as obsessive and fundamentalist in her religious beliefs as June was. This was one crazy religion they believed in, mind you, I have strong faith in God but my faith is in a rational God. I do not believe in fundamentalism or the devil. Poor June and Sheila were as hooked on the devil as they were on God. I am unconvinced that Nevill was all that interested though, my guess is that Nevill was probably sick of the fundamentalism the females in his family espoused and that his beliefs were more akin to mine than June's or Sheila's.

If you know the area it is likely we will know the same people. We might even know one another.

I don't live in the area, Sparks, wish I did, but my job ties me here unfortunately. It's my relations who live in your part of the world, though I visit quite often. You put your name on the forum recently and I don't recognise it, so I don't believe we know each other.

Were you in Beckenham Road when a young driver ( me ) wrote off a Capri and a milk float at 5am in 1974? When the police arrived they couldn't find the milkman - it was me that found him ( alive ) in the ditch on the bend.

 ;D Noooo, but I'll tell you something even more bizare, one of my lot died in a ditch in Tolleshunt Major and it was around 6 years before his body was found and his death was registered. Hope it wasn't the same ditch. Improbable as I know it sounds, that's the truth, I have it on his death certificate. Mind you, it happened a very long time ago. The farmers were obviously unfussed about their ditches in those days.  ;D

andrea

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« Reply #72 on: August 30, 2011, 12:39:AM »
His death was registered before they knew he was dead choc?

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« Reply #73 on: August 30, 2011, 12:42:AM »
Once upon a time I thought a major miscarriage of justice had happened here, but the more and more you look at the fine details of this case there is little doubt Jeremy Bamber slaughtered his family nd tried to pin it on his sister

just over 150 words, but this is what I think happened

Knowing his mad sister is staying at WHF that night with the kids, Jeremy gained access through the bathroom window using the hacksaw blade, retrieved the gun from the kitchen and sound moderator, removed the phone from its cradle and sneaked upstairs using the rear staircase.
After firing a quick bullet into each of his nephews skulls, he sprinted across to Nevill & Junes room, (June is a light sleeper) to find them both awake and Nevill already heading for the door (after he realised the phone was off the hook) he fires one into Nevill, injuring him, then turns to June, shooting her while still in bed. JB turns to Nevill again, there is a scuffle and Nevill manages to get past Jeremy and makes a dash for downstairs, in hot pursuit Jeremy catches up with him in the kitchen, and needing to reload batters his dad into unconsciousness with the rifle, then reloads and finsihes Neville off.
Jeremy returns upstairs to find Sheila nursing June, Sheila is paralyzed with fear as Jeremy carefully fires an angled shot into her neck, then a priceless look of horror spreads across his usually smug face as he realises a second shot is needed to finish Sheila off, then he fires more bullets into the kids and June & sets about re-arranging the scene to make it appear Sheila did it. Then he exits via the kitchen window, slamming it behind him so it locks from the inside.


Thanks to the people who run this excellent site for helping me get to the bottom of this case, all the information you need is right here




andrea

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« Reply #74 on: August 30, 2011, 12:48:AM »
So do you think he also uses a sit up and beg type bike to get from whf to goldhanger?