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[Gemini]

Mike, I know you're there. Why does JB sit back and let you and Jackie fight for him?

Jeremy works on his case for hours and hours every day and I'm sure is angry but what good would it be if he fell apart and let the system eat him alive.  He choses to fight and he has never given up.  The justice system is against him and he has and will continue to do everything in his power to see his sentence over turned.  Jackie and Mike aren't his bitches (pardon the expression!), just incredible human beings who believe a terrible miscarriage of justice has occurred and go above and beyond to help.   Rant over

[Roch]

Sparks who are our "friends" in aus and NZ?

Possibly the man who uses the name Shaw.  There are others who live abroad and who delve in to this also.

[grahameb]

In short, I believe that Sheila in a worsened state of her illness first shot her sons, thus waking up her parents. Maybe Nevill ran downstairs immediately to call for help, then upstairs again to try to prevent more damage. In the meantime, June was shot (maybe just once). Nevill was shot once in the bedroom, then, at gunpoint, led downstairs (no more rounds in the rifle, Nevill couldn't know that).
The fight, possible reloading or another gun was ready downstairs. He was shot. Upstairs, June had tried to get to the twins, but heard the commotion downstairs and turned around, maybe she collapsed at the door then. Sheila upstairs again, shooting June (still alive) again a few times.
Sheila cleaned up (her hair in the crime scene photos looks like freshly washed hair that hasn't been combed.) Maybe she ate. She wore the socks and went upstairs to her mother at some point (perhaps hours later) and shot herself after removing the socks.

Maybe this is totally out there, but this is roughly how I imagine events that night.
I have to apologize to Sheila if I am wrong. It is a horrible thing to say about someone who is possibly a victim of a murder herself. Sorry Sheila, if I am wrong.

What many people don't seem to think of when they mumble about the "impossibility" of Sheila having to reload the rifle magazine several times in order to carry out these murders is that effectively she only needed 4 shots to incapacitate everybody. Then afterwards she would have time to reload the magazine without rushing and then go to each victim and shoot them as many times as it she needed. I wonder why some cannot see this and they over complicate things by saying, "How on earth could she have done this and fight with Ralf a nine foot strapping fit man?" When in actual fact once incapacitated this giant of a man became a pussycat who both received deep nail gouges in his arm as well as inflicting injuries upon his assailant which in fact there are pictures (played down by various people) to prove it.

[Bambergate]

Ah in 150 words I will try

Please know I have had been of contact with the officers that were there on the night and I have been threatened by EP police in a attempt to stop me on my quest to obtain a written statement from one of them. I only need one.

Shelia suffering from her illness shot her kids then Nevill got up confronted her in the hall where he escaped downstairs to call JB and the police, Shelia then shot her mother and then her father downstairs she also used the rifle to hit her father after running out of bullets.
The other 22 rifle was used to end the lives of her parents,do not blame Shelia she was very ill.
OK the police raid
the raid was started when the FSU knew the position of the gun and Shelia by spotting the rifle in the window by Miss Jeaps and the open phone line in the kitchen was used to position Shelia,from what I understand they startled Shelia and she shot herself with the air rifle.
Collins did see her through the kitchen window,yes the kitchen window and she did not move during the very noisy breaking down of the door and the tumbling of Nevill off his chair,so everyone thought she was dead like Nevill,Delgado---- no I will stop there.
Any way Shelia got the gun from up stares and shot herself there.
It was agreed that if Shelia had survived she would of taken her life when she recovered from here illnesse,every one knowing the truth would not  helped Jeremy in any way or the officers or EP.every one was agreed on the course of action that was taken
Mr Montgomery came up with the Idea of using the anshulz because this explained the 2 shots "hair trigger"no of the other guns were semi-automatic.
ACC Simpson gave his authority to this cover up.
No one told Stan Stupid(this is the name one of the officers uses)  so off he went knowing there was something funny going on but not knowing that it was his own officers involved. He did anything he needed to to get the evidence to prove his suspitions. Stan was screwed by EP and will ultimately be one of the main fall guys for this.
RWB worked out what had happened though and used this to give EP a simple choice.
we know which on they took.
Thanx Ron Cook for all your good work here with the evidence I can fully understand why EP still use your skills today.
The deal now is everybody keeps quiet and EP will not prosecute any of the police  involved and they get to keep their pension.
Unfortunately the EP have not kept up their side of the bargain by allowing JB to work out what actually happened.
And EP cannot offer you a clear concience which JB can so to all the officers who are reading this(I will make sure they read this)soon  you are to be named and shamed,and you will be a shame to your family, so why not get in contact guys.
If you want my number ask Monty on (03) 9354 0782,  say hi to Dawn for me and remember he is 12 hours ahead.
I think is is now a good time to ask the general public not if JB is innocent  but weather it is right to  protect the public from the truth, the police do sometimes fuck things up and we should support them in their mistakes as well as their successes.
I love that old saying “You could not handle the truth” well I think the British public can handle the truth and should be told can we set a vote on this?
I also understand the plan B is  for the government is to use the police officers involved as scape goats.so to all the officers out there, time decide which side of the fence you want to be on, as the gate is closing soon.
If you want more detail maybe PM me

oh the legal bit all of this is in my opinion! ha ha

[jon]

Thank's for your post Ron , i find your few post's very interesting !!

[grahameb]

Hmm. very intriguing post.

[Sparkfilms]

Come on ladies, don't be shy, this is your chance to shine.

No waffle, nothing from the books, just tell it like it is.

Let's get this fast track method in operation and see if my press boys take any interest.

[boheme]

JB wants to kill his family for the inheritance, arranges an accomplice, sets the scene and leaves WHF. JB and hit-man return later to complete the work. JB kills the twins and June, holds Sheila hostage whilst Hit-man takes care of Ralf using curious double barrel rifle later handed to Police. Ralf barricades himself in the kitchen where he dies from his wounds. Mentally ill Sheila is then executed and positioned to make it look like suicide. JB returns to Head Street and calls JM and then police. Hit-man stays behind at WHF to clean up evidence – JB returns to WHF to meet police and hit-man is seen moving in window but slips away before they enter. Stranger is seen in area but this is not followed up. Police look through kitchen window and see one dead male/female. Police try and contact house by megaphone but no reply, they finally enter and find everyone dead. Initially JB thinks he has got away with it as police believe 4 murders and a suicide but start having doubts. Family realise JB will inherit everything therefore plant silencer and build case against him. Mugford is in fear of her life but finally goes to police. Police want quick result therefore use Mugford’s evidence to prove his involvement but do not pursue hit-man as main suspect is known as a fantasist. Police errors are covered up at the trial but JB found guilty....

[clifford]

JB wants to kill his family for the inheritance, arranges an accomplice, sets the scene and leaves WHF. JB and hit-man return later to complete the work. JB kills the twins and June, holds Sheila hostage whilst Hit-man takes care of Ralf using curious double barrel rifle later handed to Police. Ralf barricades himself in the kitchen where he dies from his wounds. Mentally ill Sheila is then executed and positioned to make it look like suicide. JB returns to Head Street and calls JM and then police. Hit-man stays behind at WHF to clean up evidence – JB returns to WHF to meet police and hit-man is seen moving in window but slips away before they enter. Stranger is seen in area but this is not followed up. Police look through kitchen window and see one dead male/female. Police try and contact house by megaphone but no reply, they finally enter and find everyone dead. Initially JB thinks he has got away with it as police believe 4 murders and a suicide but start having doubts. Family realise JB will inherit everything therefore plant silencer and build case against him. Mugford is in fear of her life but finally goes to police. Police want quick result therefore use Mugford’s evidence to prove his involvement but do not pursue hit-man as main suspect is known as a fantasist. Police errors are covered up at the trial but JB found guilty....

But the police DID follow the hit man theory. That is why Mc donald ended up in court, but had a cast iron alibi

[boheme]

Does anyone know what his alibi was ?

[andrea]

he was staying with one of his "knock offs" on the night in question.

[clifford]

he was staying with one of his "knock offs" on the night in question.

Nicely put Adrea, I was struggling

[chochokeira]

JB

who is already rich beyond his wildest dreams and soon due to inherit more from his grannie
wants to kill his family for the inheritance, arranges an accomplice, sets the scene and leaves WHF. JB and hit-man return later to complete the work. JB

who has never been violent in his lifekillsthe two little nephews he was playing with earlier and his mother, holds Sheila hostage whilst Hit-man takes care of Ralf using curious double barrel rifle later handed to Police.

Ralf barricades himself in the kitchen where he dies from his wounds.

- after being battered around the head and fatally wounded by a ghost -and Mentally ill Sheila is then executed and positioned to make it look like suicide.

- killer lying in the floor as Sheila willingly holds her head at the suicide angle -

JB returns to Head Street and calls JM and then police.

Totally ignoring that the Hit-man will be trapped at WHF

JB returns to WHF to meet police and hit-man is seen moving in window but slips away before they enter. Stranger is seen in area but this is not followed up. Police look through kitchen window and see one dead male/female. Police try and contact house by megaphone but no reply, they finally enter and find everyone dead. Initially JB thinks he has got away with it as police believe 4 murders and a suicide but start having doubts. Family realise JB will inherit everything therefore plant silencer and build case against him.

Mugford is in fear of her life of Jeremy but  asks him to move her to her new flat

finally goes to police

then does a deal with the News Of World for the price of a new flat, to be paid on Jeremy's conviction

Police want quick result therefore use Mugford’s evidence

thus ignoring that her three conficting stories and allegations against JB are riddled with inconsistency and after giving her sweeping immunity from prosecution for past crimes or involvement in the murders, enabling her to make any claims she chooses and to claim the price of her new flat from TNOW

to prove his involvement but do not pursue hit-man as main suspect is known as a fantasist

and because they've no evidence against him whatsoever Police errors are covered up at the trial but JB found guilty....

[HMEssex]

I too believe that Sheila killed everyone.

Why?  Due to her illness, poor girl.  Her medication had not been properly administered, in the days leading up to that evening, she had been seen running away from the monastery screaming, she flew in a rage at the meter man, in between she was quiet and withdrawn and she had no chance of getting back with her ex-husband.

As to the actual sequence of the killings, I have no idea, but the fact that she was the only adult spared the bloodbath/frenzied shooting of the others makes me think she shot everyone.  She had two wounds - the first was like an exploratory shot, the second shot killed her - she killed herself.

What came next was all cover ups and lies by some truly nasty people as we have all seen and debated these last few months.
 
The first verdict was the correct one - 4 murders and one suicide.

Poor Jeremy.

[Roch]

My view is that two events, at first unknown to each other, later converge to result in the conviction of Bamber.

1
Incident between Sheila and raid team.  Either because she played dead or was stunned by the non-fatal shot.  The first would remove any difficulties of a lack of corresponding blood evidence and her inability to travel upstairs.  The second might tie in more with undisclosed report 1612.  The original report needs to be disclosed by EP.  Given their history of releasing doctored faxes and the like. Once the police set upon a course of concealment regarding the bungle, they cannot get off the ride.  It becomes a runaway train, due to unforeseen circs.  What was once a possible disciplinary matter becomes a potential prison sentence.  Nobody is going to dob anyone else in it and face being ostracised.

2
Jeremy Bamber is living in a world of his own.  But now that his family has been wiped out, he is probably veering between shock and a sense of freedom.  He doesn't see Robert Boutflour coming.  Jeremy is an outsider.  The only protection he had has been wiped out.  Dislike, merges with suspicion and vengeance among the remaining relatives, who are not without local influence. 

Exactly how these two strands merge is a bit of a mystery.  We know there is contact between the two strands but we don't know exactly what was discussed, argued or threatened.  And as for Mugford, she's still an enigma to me.