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Ms Mugford
« on: August 18, 2011, 09:17:PM »
Met someone today who knew Julie Mugford well in the years and months leading up to the murder and  trial. I will contact her and see what comes up - if anything. She lIves in Tiptree which is a few miles from WHF.

This person was not aware of certain aspects of the case though, and seemed to be a little taken in by Mugford's version of events.

I explained that the angle of the bullets made this a very tough ask for any killer.

Did Mugford break the record at Essex Police in the 1980's for changing her story just about every time she was spoken to?

Mugford's friend mentioned that 'Julie was a real wildcard criminal' herself and that she has had no contact with her in 25 years.


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« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2011, 09:19:PM »
Met someone today who knew Julie Mugford well in the years and months leading up to the murder and  trial. I will contact her and see what comes up - if anything. She lIves in Tiptree which is a few miles from WHF.

This person was not aware of certain aspects of the case though, and seemed to be a little taken in by Mugford's version of events.

I explained that the angle of the bullets made this a very tough ask for any killer.

Did Mugford break the record at Essex Police in the 1980's for changing her story just about every time she was spoken to?

Mugford's friend mentioned that 'Julie was a real wildcard criminal' herself and that she has had no contact with her in 25 years.
I'll be interested in hearing her story.

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« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2011, 09:23:PM »
Brilliant Sparkfilms I know stuff about the mother too but I will have to ask JB if I am allowed to put it up here. Could you ask about the mother and see if our views are the same.
It is a very important aspect to this case

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« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2011, 09:30:PM »
nice one sparks  :) and jack  :)

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Re: Ms Mugford
« Reply #4 on: August 18, 2011, 09:39:PM »
Met someone today who knew Julie Mugford well in the years and months leading up to the murder and  trial. I will contact her and see what comes up - if anything. She lIves in Tiptree which is a few miles from WHF.

This person was not aware of certain aspects of the case though, and seemed to be a little taken in by Mugford's version of events.

I explained that the angle of the bullets made this a very tough ask for any killer.

Did Mugford break the record at Essex Police in the 1980's for changing her story just about every time she was spoken to?

Mugford's friend mentioned that 'Julie was a real wildcard criminal' herself and that she has had no contact with her in 25 years.
I'll be interested in hearing her story.




Me too!

I've found the testimony of Timothy Ernest on jeremybambertestimony.co.uk interesting where he states regarding Julie:

"I also met Julie a few times but never understood why Jeremy was going with her as I thought of her as a sly and moody woman. She seemed inadequate as well as insecure and the pair were badly suited in my view."


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Re: Ms Mugford
« Reply #5 on: August 18, 2011, 09:55:PM »
Brilliant Sparkfilms I know stuff about the mother too but I will have to ask JB if I am allowed to put it up here. Could you ask about the mother and see if our views are the same.
It is a very important aspect to this case

It seems that both Shelia and June were suffering in their own different ways.

It appears that I was at the same house party as Mugford in Priory Street, Colchester around 1985. Didn't notice her. I may well have come across Jeremy when he was working at Sloppy Joe's in Colchester High Street as we knew the owner at the time, though no recall of this either.

Sloppy Joe's, the banks and the Town Hall are about all that remains in the high street from the 1980's.


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« Reply #6 on: August 18, 2011, 10:02:PM »
Interesting, Sparkfilms!

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« Reply #7 on: August 19, 2011, 07:40:AM »
In my view the police already knew about the cheque fraud with Battersby well prior to any claimed admittance by JM or Battersby. It may have been used to threaten her in the fear or favour manner to deliver evidence the police wanted as well as part of her reaction to being jilted.  In my experience JM's admitted crimes are probably a small fraction of what she got up to.

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Re: Ms Mugford
« Reply #8 on: August 19, 2011, 08:28:AM »
Yes, Mugford was at a crossroads in her life. Had the police nailed her for obtaining money by deception then her preferred career path was at an end. I also believe the police traded with her in some way.

Mugford was perhaps the biggest influence in the case.

It does seem strange that Jeremy or anyone else would have confided in her with something of this magnitude, while playing the field, so to speak. That bit never added up.

Did the family really have enough on the police re. aspects of the raid to put them under pressure and was Mugford instrumental in a plot?

Some people believe that the two hour use of the loud hailer at WHF suggested that the police were in communication with Shelia, that would have been very difficult for the police to fabricate if there was anyone overhearing this, one assumes Jeremy would have heard this from his position. Someone might need to firm up on this for me.

Is this communication part of the hidden files?


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« Reply #9 on: August 19, 2011, 10:05:AM »
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It does seem strange that Jeremy or anyone else would have confided in her with something of this magnitude, while playing the field, so to speak. That bit never added up.

I've been saying that for months.  It's daft.  In my opinion, the only way he would confide in her is if she is in on it.  In on the deaths.  In which case, as has been suggested by SteelMagnolia blog, his phone call to her is an attempted alibi for both of them.  She then cannot stomach the results and turns him in.  This scenario is possibly undermined though if he plays the field as you suggest Sparks.  The only way that could hold water, again in my opinion, as if he is effectively saying to her 'look, there's f*** all you can say, you were in on it too".  In which case he was sadly mistaken.

I think a useful thing to do is to try and put yourself in his shoes (as the murderer).  It absurdly audacious, to execute five murders for inheritance, while retaining virtually no forensic link to the scene of crime, absolutely none on your person or in your home or in the surrounding area, in the time space in which he had to complete this grisly task.  Conversely, given that the whole point of the murders is for inheritance, it is unrealistic that he would have an in built 'go to jail' clause in his plan, by spilling the beans to Mugford before and after the event?  "Darling, I'm just off to kill my family.  I'll call you when its' done".

Posters on here go on about defence conspiracy theories, as if there's never ever been any conspiracies in this country.  As Ann Eaton might say "poppy cock". 

Sorry for overusing the word... But the prosecution case is absurd.

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« Reply #10 on: August 19, 2011, 11:07:AM »
Good post Rochford.

I've just written a short letter asking Mugford's friend for certain information. The bit I'm after relates to the Matt McDonald scenario and how / why Mugford got this into the mix.

I had contact with someone who shared a house with McDonald in Colchester at the time and got quite a bit of info. I never saw this info in the public domain.

My contact died of a drug o/d a few years ago.

Dare I say it, but I think I might be able to get more on this than others due to the close location to WHF and contacts with EP. So far my EP contacts are sticking to the official line - possibly taking this course until death as is the masonic way by some accounts.

Bews would not open up on the window thing when I spoke to him.

It is my belief that a person was seen alive inside WHF.


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Re: Ms Mugford
« Reply #11 on: August 19, 2011, 12:03:PM »
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It does seem strange that Jeremy or anyone else would have confided in her with something of this magnitude, while playing the field, so to speak. That bit never added up.

I've been saying that for months.  It's daft.  In my opinion, the only way he would confide in her is if she is in on it.  In on the deaths.  In which case, as has been suggested by SteelMagnolia blog, his phone call to her is an attempted alibi for both of them.  She then cannot stomach the results and turns him in.  This scenario is possibly undermined though if he plays the field as you suggest Sparks.  The only way that could hold water, again in my opinion, as if he is effectively saying to her 'look, there's f*** all you can say, you were in on it too".  In which case he was sadly mistaken.

I think a useful thing to do is to try and put yourself in his shoes (as the murderer).  It absurdly audacious, to execute five murders for inheritance, while retaining virtually no forensic link to the scene of crime, absolutely none on your person or in your home or in the surrounding area, in the time space in which he had to complete this grisly task.  Conversely, given that the whole point of the murders is for inheritance, it is unrealistic that he would have an in built 'go to jail' clause in his plan, by spilling the beans to Mugford before and after the event?  "Darling, I'm just off to kill my family.  I'll call you when its' done".

Posters on here go on about defence conspiracy theories, as if there's never ever been any conspiracies in this country.  As Ann Eaton might say "poppy cock". 

Sorry for overusing the word... But the prosecution case is absurd.
Great post , for anyone to believe a man would kill five people and give his girlfriend a walking commentary , then ditch her , in my opinion insult's people's intelligence !!

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Re: Ms Mugford
« Reply #12 on: August 19, 2011, 12:05:PM »


I had contact with someone who shared a house with McDonald in Colchester at the time and got quite a bit of info. I never saw this info in the public domain.


What sort of information did you get Sparks?

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Re: Ms Mugford
« Reply #13 on: August 19, 2011, 01:37:PM »
I have just had some amazing news and I am beside myself with excitement

Hard work does pay off friends in high places etc

I will pm all JB s loyal supporters later this afternoon

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« Reply #14 on: August 19, 2011, 01:54:PM »
I have just had some amazing news and I am beside myself with excitement

Hard work does pay off friends in high places etc

I will pm all JB s loyal supporters later this afternoon
Intriguing.