A tale of two Cuckoos?

[andrea]

yes correct, think i should go back to bed 

[andrea]

so what was sheilas dad called? i thought he was jay

[Alias]

Chocho, you are a fountain of knowledge. I enjoy reading your posts, just want to let you know! +1

And Andrea, right you are. I´ll throw in a +1 for you too.

This world would be a much, much better place if parents, especially fathers (most mothers keep their children) would care for their offspring. See them and acknowledge them - even if they are not living with the mother. It-is-so-important!!
I can´t help thinking about Anders Breivik who slaughtered 77 people in Norway. He didn´t see his father since he was fifteen/sixteen. And this scumbag of a father goes on TV from his home in southern Europe(filmed from the back, but for some reason with visibly armed guards parading around in front of him).
This so called father went on TV just to say that he would never forgive his son or ever see him again, his own SON. Hey, mister, you didn´t see him in the first place, and who knows, if you had, this tragedy might never have happened! Probably NOT.
I was so furious after seeing that on TV.

[HMEssex]

yes correct, think i should go back to bed 

Oh don't do that!  It's so confusing on here.

[Alias]

Andrea, I heard earlier that is was Sheila´s uncle on her father´s side. It may be wrong, but you are not the only one who thinks/thought that.

[chochokeira]

The following is from the ships' passenger lists for 1957, the year of Sheila's birth.

Name: Eric G Jay
Date of Birth: 1 Mar 1907
Age: 50
Address: Lambeth Palace, London SE1
Profession: Clerk in holy orders
Country of intended future permanent residence: England
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Date of Arrival: 20 Sep 1957
Port of Arrival: Liverpool, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal
Ship Name: Carinthia
Shipping Line: Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 1963/01

Eric Jay was travelling alone, without his family.

I can't find Sheila's birth date, but believe it may have been prior to her grandfather's return.

The following is from the ships' passenger lists for 1960:


Name:         Eric Jay
Birth Date:  1 Mar 1907
Age:            53
Address:     10 Sylvan Rd, Upper Norwood
Profession:  Clergymen
Country of last permanent residence (12 or mths more):  Canada
Country of intended future residence:                     Canada
Country of which a citizen:                                     U.k. (Eng)
Intended durationof stay in UK:                              4 months
Port of Departure: Montréal, Québec, Canada
Date of Arrival: 10 Jun 1960
Port of Arrival: Southampton, England
Ports of Voyage: Montreal [Quebec] 
Ship Name: Saxonia
Shipping Line: The Cunard Steamship Company Ltd
Official Number: 8328/01

Eric was accompanied by his wife, Margaret Jay, whose record states:

Country of which a citizen:                                     U.k. (Can)

[andrea]

were sheilas natural parents married?

[HMEssex]

so what was sheilas dad called? i thought he was jay

Don't know.  That's one of the mysteries I believe....

[chochokeira]

Chocho, you are a fountain of knowledge. I enjoy reading your posts, just want to let you know! +1

And Andrea, right you are. I´ll throw in a +1 for you too.

This world would be a much, much better place if parents, especially fathers (most mothers keep their children) would care for their offspring. See them and acknowledge them - even if they are not living with the mother. It-is-so-important!!
I can´t help thinking about Anders Breivik who slaughtered 77 people in Norway. He didn´t see his father since he was fifteen/sixteen. And this scumbag of a father goes on TV from his home in southern Europe(filmed from the back, but for some reason with visibly armed guards parading around in front of him).
This so called father went on TV just to say that he would never forgive his son or ever see him again, his own SON. Hey, mister, you didn´t see him in the first place, and who knows, if you had, this tragedy might never have happened! Probably NOT.
I was so furious after seeing that on TV.

Thanks, abs. You are so right in this post too. If all parents loved their children there would be considerably less problems in this world.

[chochokeira]

so what was sheilas dad called? i thought he was jay

Sheila's mother was Chrstine Jay, Andrea. I don't believe anyone knows who Sheila's father was. I think you've said that you thought he was a vicar or a theology student, something like that?

[chochokeira]

were sheilas natural parents married?

I don't believe so.

[andrea]

wasnt he something to do with the arch bishop of canterbury or was that jeremys dad?

canon eric jay

[chochokeira]

wasnt he something to do with the arch bishop of canterbury or was that jeremys dad?

canon eric jay

Christine Jay's father (Sheila's maternal grandfather) was Cannon Eric Jay who lived at Lambeth Palace, the following is what one of my subscription biographies states of him:

"Eric was ordained as a priest in the Church of England in 1932. He later became chaplain to the archbishop of Canterbury, and assisted at the coronation of Queen Elizabeth II in Westminster Abbey in June 1953. He later moved to Canada to take up an academic post in the Theology Department at McGill University Montreal. He retired, and subsequently died in Montreal c. 1990(?)"

As he died in c 1990, he might presumably have learned of Sheila's tragic death.

[HMEssex]

wasnt he something to do with the arch bishop of canterbury or was that jeremys dad?

canon eric jay

Eric G. Jay Sheila's grandfather (father of Christine's mother) took part in ceremony of Queen's Coronation

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_participants_in_Queen_Elizabeth_II_coronation_procession

He's listed under 'The Archbishops'.

It's interesting that Jeremy's natural father also had connections with Royal Household.

These weren't just 'ordinary' adoptions it seems.

[chochokeira]

I wonder if Cannon Jay is in this photograph?