Home phones ringing indefinately in 1985

[Adam]

But even if JB did go home and answer his phone, it follows that he must have phoned Julie 'afterwards', right?
And seeing JB told the police his dad phoned about 3.10 cant we assume that this was the time he actually answered the phone when he got back from WHF, Adam? Especially if he thought the calls could be traced?
So again, this proves that JB could not have phoned Julie until after he answered his own call at 3.10, right?
So no matter how you look at it, it was nigh on impossible for JB to call Julie at 3.00, and the defense should have been able to prove this?
Of course you could argue that JB did indeed get back to Goldhanger before 3.00 and answered his phone before phoning Julie, but that makes zero sense, we're back to the senseless scenario of rushing home and leaving it half an hour before phoning the police, and why in the name of god would he tell the police his dad phoned at 3.10 after JB had rushed home and answered it before 3.00?
And again why oh why would he phone Julie at 3.00 and tell the police his dad phoned at 3.10?
Its just utter nonsense!
I will say again, a phone call to Julie from Goldhanger around 3.00 was virtually impossible, Adam? Goodnight, sir!

Agree Jerrmy would ring Julie after he picked up his call.

If he rang Julie at 3.00am, then he picked up his call before then. Although supporters claim he rang her as late as 3.30am.

Whatever time he rang her, he told EP Nevill rang him at 'around 3.10am'.

[ILB]

Ringing JM was just crazy from his perspective. Someone in a shared house.

[Rob_]

The thing is .Steve, this seems to be a discussion about how JB could single handedly manipulate phone calls to give himself an alibi?
I mean look at it this way, Adam says that JB may have phoned his AM to fake a call from Nevill then rush home as fast as he could to phone the police so that there isn't a large time span between the two calls?
So it follows that JB may have indeed phoned his cottage from WHF around 3.05-3-10 and then rushed home to phone the police around 3.25, right?
So how could JB have even phoned Julie from his cottage around 3.00 when he wasn't even there till around 3.20-25?
Are we saying that JB phoned Julie at 3.00 from WHF? So much for the calls being traced then?
Or we can argue that JB actually left WHF around 2.45 and got back to his cottage around 3.00 and phoned Julie? But if so, this means he must have called his cottage around 2.45 but went on to tell the police that his dad phoned at 3.10, right? Meaning around a 45 minute time span between phoning his cottage and phoning the police? How could he explain that, Steve?
And if we go back to rushing home to keep the time span as tight as possible between the two calls, why then did he rush home only to call Julie at 3.00 and then wait almost another half hour to phone the police around 3.30?
Its just nonsense!!!
If you think it all through, a phone call to Julie from Goldhanger at 3.00 isn't only stupid, in my opinion its darned near impossible, Steve!
Impossible if you go through a guilt scenario time line! Impossible.

I agree with you Snow, it's not much use talking to Adam and co they cannot bring themselves to answer honestly. Steve still going about rats have you ever tried to get near one! and they don't get high eating can plants.

If JB says Nevil called at 3.10 then as JB thought calls were traceable then either that is when he rang his AM from WHF or he picks up his own call when he gets back to his cottage.

If he picks up his own call then there is no reason on earth why when the line clears he does not ring the police approx 2 minutes latter. So he must have rang his AM but why does JM not mention he had one?

The whole case makes no sense, unless it was suicide?

[Adam]

I agree with you Snow, it's not much use talking to Adam and co they cannot bring themselves to answer honestly. Steve still going about rats have you ever tried to get near one! and they don't get high eating can plants.

If JB says Nevil called at 3.10 then as JB thought calls were traceable then either that is when he rang his AM from WHF or he picks up his own call when he gets back to his cottage.

If he picks up his own call then there is no reason on earth why when the line clears he does not ring the police approx 2 minutes latter. So he must have rang his AM but why does JM not mention he had one?

The whole case makes no sense, unless it was suicide?

Did not understand most of that.

His CT TikTok account say he had an AM I did post the link over a year ago. You need to accept it.

This thread is about him answering his own call.

[Adam]

Going by the different information, a timeline can be -

Answers his own call at 2.55am.

Rang Julie at 3.00am.

Rang Chelmsford Police at 3.26am.

Tells EP Nevill rang him 'around 3.10am'.

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If EP say Nevill rang you at 2.55am, he can say he got the time wrong as half asleep.

[Rob_]

Did not understand most of that.

His CT TikTok account say he had an AM I did post the link over a year ago. You need to accept it.

This thread is about him answering his own call.

I am talking about you saying he answers his own call as you well know.

So in this scenario why does he delay ringing the police?

A proper reply would be nice for once.

[snow66!]

Ringing JM was just crazy from his perspective. Someone in a shared house.

Only if he phoned her around 3.00, which seems highly unlikely, ILB.
Even if guilty its highly unlikely he got back to his cottage before 3.10.

[snow66!]

Going by the different information, a timeline can be -

Answers his own call at 2.55am.

Rang Julie at 3.00am.

Rang Chelmsford Police at 3.26am.

Tells EP Nevill rang him 'around 3.10am'.

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If EP say Nevill rang you at 2.55am, he can say he got the time wrong as half asleep.

Ha ha! Rings Julie at 3.00 and tells the police his dad phoned at 3.10, was he intentionally trying to cut his own throat, Adam?

[snow66!]

I agree with you Snow, it's not much use talking to Adam and co they cannot bring themselves to answer honestly. Steve still going about rats have you ever tried to get near one! and they don't get high eating can plants.

If JB says Nevil called at 3.10 then as JB thought calls were traceable then either that is when he rang his AM from WHF or he picks up his own call when he gets back to his cottage.

If he picks up his own call then there is no reason on earth why when the line clears he does not ring the police approx 2 minutes latter. So he must have rang his AM but why does JM not mention he had one?

The whole case makes no sense, unless it was suicide?

Yes, a call to Julie at 3.00 just doesn't fit into any scenario as far as I can see, Rob, guilt or otherwise. Doesn't really matter if JB was stoned or not, that doesn't change the known time line.
Although all we have set in stone is the call/s to the police around 3.25-35, everything before that is speculation, although the police tried their best to set the time of JBs call to Julie at 3.00, even though Julies first statement places the call around 3.15.

[Adam]

Ha ha! Rings Julie at 3.00 and tells the police his dad phoned at 3.10, was he intentionally trying to cut his own throat, Adam?

Jeremy has been all over the place on everything. Which is why he has been in prison for 41 years.

I gave that timeline as 2 people said he rang Julie at 3.00am. But here is another one for you -

Answers his own call at 3.10am

Calls Julie at 3.15am

Calls Chelmsford Police at 3.26am.

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Simple.

[Rob_]

Jeremy has been all over the place on everything. Which is why he has been in prison for 41 years.

I gave that timeline as 2 people said he rang Julie at 3.00am. But here is another one for you -

Answers his own call at 3.10am

Calls Julie at 3.15am

Calls Chelmsford Police at 3.26am.

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Simple.

Why does a guilty man who has just killed 5 people not call the police as soon as the line clears?

If you cannot give a logical reason we need to assume he never answered his own call.

[Adam]

I do agree Jeremy would have needed to know whether BT could track calls.

I do not agree that he would consider it too risky to investigate himself beforehand.

Either way, if he was not 100% sure calls could not be tracked, he would have wanted to cover himself. The best way to do that was by answering his own call.

The police did say he 'rang his cottage'. Julie's WS also says he planned to phone his cottage.

[Adam]

Why does a guilty man who has just killed 5 people not call the police as soon as the line clears?

If you cannot give a logical reason we need to assume he never answered his own call.

3.10am - answers his own call.

The next 16 minutes he called Julie, freshened up, changed clothes, composed himself & looked through Yellow Pages.

Not sure what the problem is.

[snow66!]

Jeremy has been all over the place on everything. Which is why he has been in prison for 41 years.

I gave that timeline as 2 people said he rang Julie at 3.00am. But here is another one for you -

Answers his own call at 3.10am

Calls Julie at 3.15am

Calls Chelmsford Police at 3.26am.

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Simple.

Yes, thats more like it, Adam.
So can we rule out a call to Julie at 3.00 as claimed by the prosecution?

[Adam]

I'm a guilter & don't think Jeremy's self imposed 16 minute gap is incriminating!:

He has said himself he -"

Rang Julie.

Tried ringing dad back.

Looked through Yello Pages.

Tried to ring Withham.