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Offline David1819

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« Reply #390 on: Today at 01:19 PM »
I think that's the wrong question. I believe in critical mass. This is the most successful attempt yet to wrestle control of the media narrative from the repetitive EP & relatives' sycophants. The Z-list media types who peddle the pro guilt bile.  There is a butterfly effect from this latest program. There comes a point where the authorities start to look stupid and corrupt to too many people for their own comfort.

It worked with Adnan Syed, The West Memphis Three and Michael Peterson.  I believe Adnan Syed and The West Memphis Three are most likely guilty.

In America they allow trials to be recorded/televised and prisoners to be interviewed on camera. Making it a lot easier to create public awareness.



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« Reply #391 on: Today at 01:32 PM »
It worked with Adnan Syed, The West Memphis Three and Michael Peterson.  I believe Adnan Syed and The West Memphis Three are most likely guilty.

In America they allow trials to be recorded/televised and prisoners to be interviewed on camera. Making it a lot easier to create public awareness.

Just noticed this..

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« Reply #392 on: Today at 01:51 PM »
You have literally quoted the CoA recounting the evidence produced at trial!

IIRC, JB claimed he tried to call his father straight back but got an engaged tone and the prosecution called the expert witness to show that Bamber's account could not be right, he would have still been connected to WHF unless he waited 1-2 minutes.

While not a prosecution point on its own, the intended effect was to show the jury that Bamber's account of his father calling was at best unreliable and at worst, a pack of lies - which was very much a prosecution point.

Yes I did quote expert telephony evidence from the CoA doc.  Where does it say this evidence supported the prosecution case?  It doesn't. It states the prosecution relied upon the following [with regard to JB's claim of a telephone call from JB.]

vii) The appellant's account of the telephone call from his father could be proved to be false for the following reasons:

a) His father was too badly injured to have spoken to anybody;
b) The telephone in the kitchen was not obviously blood stained;
c) As a matter of common sense, Nevill Bamber would have called the police before the appellant;
d) Had the appellant really received such a call, he would have immediately made a 999 call, alerted the farm workers who lived close to the farmhouse and then driven at speed to his parents home; and
e) Instead he had spoken to Julie Mugford before calling the police. When he subsequently contacted the Police, it was not by way of the emergency system.
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« Reply #393 on: Today at 01:53 PM »
Yes people who want to speak someone.

If I had to inform a relative or friend of urgent can't wait news and it's 3am in the morning, I'm making the call, I don't give a fuck if they've got an AM or not. It wouldnt enter my thought process even if i knew they had one.

If I was in an emergency at 3.00am I certainly would not ring someone who I knew had an AM.

'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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« Reply #394 on: Today at 02:00 PM »
I think that's the wrong question. I believe in critical mass. This is the most successful attempt yet to wrestle control of the media narrative from the repetitive EP & relatives' sycophants. The Z-list media types who peddle the pro guilt bile.  There is a butterfly effect from this latest program. There comes a point where the authorities start to look stupid and corrupt to too many people for their own comfort.

All irrelevant unless JB can produce a slam dunk piece of evidence capable of persuading 3 appeal court judges his 40 year old conviction is unsafe. 

I think you and most JB supporters completely underestimate the scale of the challenge. 
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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« Reply #395 on: Today at 02:11 PM »
All irrelevant unless JB can produce a slam dunk piece of evidence capable of persuading 3 appeal court judges his 40 year old conviction is unsafe. 

I think you and most JB supporters completely underestimate the scale of the challenge.

The CCRC is an organisation under pressure - and could possibly be flustered into making some kind of reference to the Court of Appeal. However it's almost impossible to believe the CoA would find the convictions unsafe.

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« Reply #396 on: Today at 02:32 PM »
The CCRC is an organisation under pressure - and could possibly be flustered into making some kind of reference to the Court of Appeal. However it's almost impossible to believe the CoA would find the convictions unsafe.

Based on my knowledge of the current submissions and judging by the standards of the 2002 appeal hearing I tend to agree. 

Another failure at the CoA would not be good. 
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

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« Reply #397 on: Today at 04:11 PM »
Yes I did quote expert telephony evidence from the CoA doc.  Where does it say this evidence supported the prosecution case?  It doesn't. It states the prosecution relied upon the following [with regard to JB's claim of a telephone call from JB.]

vii) The appellant's account of the telephone call from his father could be proved to be false for the following reasons:

a) His father was too badly injured to have spoken to anybody;
b) The telephone in the kitchen was not obviously blood stained;
c) As a matter of common sense, Nevill Bamber would have called the police before the appellant;
d) Had the appellant really received such a call, he would have immediately made a 999 call, alerted the farm workers who lived close to the farmhouse and then driven at speed to his parents home; and
e) Instead he had spoken to Julie Mugford before calling the police. When he subsequently contacted the Police, it was not by way of the emergency system.



Having said he didn't think it was an emergency, did he not say to police "He sounded terrified"? (although no terrified enough for JB to call 999) and did he not say to an assembled group, that he thought his father may have been injured?

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« Reply #398 on: Today at 06:46 PM »
If I was in an emergency at 3.00am I certainly would not ring someone who I knew had an AM.

It wouldn't enter your thought process they had an AM.
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« Reply #399 on: Today at 07:31 PM »
It wouldn't enter your thought process they had an AM.

It would and I wouldn't ring the person.
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« Reply #400 on: Today at 07:35 PM »
It would and I wouldn't ring the person.

No it wouldn't.
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« Reply #401 on: Today at 07:47 PM »
The first thing I will think of in an emergency in 1985 would be 'I'm not calling him, I'll just get his AM'.

The second thing I will think is 'I'm not calling him, it,'s 3.00am'.

The third thing I would think is 'I'm not calling him, I have just called Chelmsford Police' (according to supporters).
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« Reply #402 on: Today at 07:59 PM »
The first thing I will think of in an emergency in 1985 would be 'I'm not calling him, I'll just get his AM'.

The second thing I will think is 'I'm not calling him, it,'s 3.00am'.

The third thing I would think is 'I'm not calling him, I have just called Chelmsford Police' (according to supporters).

In all arenas of the case EP never put forward to Jeremy the hypothesis that Nevills supposed call was void because Jeremy would be fast on and would not reach the phone in time.
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« Reply #403 on: Today at 08:02 PM »
The first thing I will think of in an emergency in 1985 would be 'I'm not calling him, I'll just get his AM'.


In the heidi Blake interview Jez dismisses it, believing it wasn't an emergency and he said he thought Nevill may have scolded him by saying " For fuck sake why did you ring the police "
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« Reply #404 on: Today at 08:02 PM »
The first thing I will think of in an emergency in 1985 would be 'I'm not calling him, I'll just get his AM'.

The second thing I will think is 'I'm not calling him, it,'s 3.00am'.

The third thing I would think is 'I'm not calling him, I have just called Chelmsford Police' (according to supporters).

Please do not associate me with this. 
Patrick O'Connor, Barrister, Doughty Street Chambers: "It will have to be a slam dunk.  It will have to be something of a blockbuster piece of evidence to have a chance".

England World Cup Anthem For 2026:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJde7pCpro4&list=RDLJde7pCpro4&start_radio=1