Channel 5 documentary 8th June 9.00 pm - 10.30 pm

[Adam]

Nevill's aledged call to Chelmsford Police was not mentioned. It is 16 years old but is a ground in the 2021 CCRC submission.

Seems all momentum is towards the aledged 999 call.

[snow66!]

The marks on Sheila showing the silencer was not used, was a ground in the 2012 CCRC application.

The programme did not mention the paint or why there was no back spatter in the rifle nozzle.

Does backspatter occur with every contact shot, Adam?

[snow66!]

Nevill's aledged call to Chelmsford Police was not mentioned. It is 16 years old but is a ground in the 2021 CCRC submission.

Seems all momentum is towards the aledged 999 call.

Dont think the 999 call is going anywhere, Adam!

[snow66!]

It's a shame the jury never got to see them Snow, just goes to show how stacked the system can be.

So we can see why the police were convinced it was 4 murders and a suicide until the fabricated silencer turned up.

Not sure if the police even attempted to decipher the notes, Rob, but the defence should certainly have been made aware of their existence!

[Rob_]

Does backspatter occur with every contact shot, Adam?

Backspatter is highly controversial Snow, more so as the gun was a .22 I think Adam is clutching at straws now.

[Rob_]

Not sure if the police even attempted to decipher the notes, Rob, but the defence should certainly have been made aware of their existence!

Oh they would have done Snow, it's pretty damming they were withheld from the defense.

Same with the bible, the pages it was opened at for example, and so it goes on.

[snow66!]

Oh they would have done Snow, it's pretty damming they were withheld from the defense.

Same with the bible, the pages it was opened at for example, and so it goes on.

Not sure why the prog didn't mention the Aga evidence when discussing the interference of the crime scene, Rob? Are they now doubting that the police moved Nevill or what?

[Zoso]

So, watched the documentary - where was the 'new evidence'? Bamber lying about the 'notes', claiming they were never given to the defence and yet we have been discussing them here since around 2014. Mike posted them from documents given to him from BAMBER - we spent WEEKS deciphering them! Are we now to believe Barbara Wilson as a viable defence witness when she's been all over the place for years. She was never even a viable prosecution witness. Best way I can think of her is 'village gossip'.

The New Yorker article seems to have just cottoned on to a few things we have been discussing here for YEARS and that Bamber already knew about and has used previously in his failed freedom attempts. It's ALL nonsense. As far as the 999 call is concerned, the logs state clearly that it was simply an open line set up by the GPO operator for the police to listen in. All this does it solidify the notion of him being a chancer and as for Mark Williams Thomas - I suggest he reads up on the case again, when did Bamber claim he 'went out shooting vermin' after which time, he left the gun by the boots? Just more time wasting nonsense. I guess the CT totally forgot that he'd has TWO appeals, not one!

Finally, no silencer doesn't mean Bamber is innocent. The only way Bamber will win this is on the technicality he claims he would never accept. Police moved the bible and 'possibly' picked up the rifle? Jeremy still searching for that technicality - I can't blame HIM but people who have been here a long time have to know this is nothing more than hyperbole.

[Adam]

It was the most biased doc I have seen. Boyce, MWT, Phillip, Jeremy's lawyer & other pro Jeremy's. Even Bews seemed subdued.

Suppose that is what gets the viewers. The possibility of the biggest MOJ in history.

The newest thing is the aledged 999 call. Which has been floating around for years although the audio was only released around a year ago.

[Adam]

The statement that the silencer is the only physical evidence against Jeremy is wrong. There is a mountain of things.

Just as Sheila could not have shot herself with the silencer attached, she also could not fire 23 shots into other people & have no GSR on her 

But the silencer was found by the relatives so is focused on.

[Adam]

The doc didn't mention the prosecutions journey - Jeremy cycling.

Don't blame them. A perfect route, a bike arriving at WHF 2 days before with a very weak reason given. Best not discuss that.

[Rob_]

So, watched the documentary - where was the 'new evidence'? Bamber lying about the 'notes', claiming they were never given to the defence and yet we have been discussing them here since around 2014. Mike posted them from documents given to him from BAMBER - we spent WEEKS deciphering them! Are we now to believe Barbara Wilson as a viable defence witness when she's been all over the place for years. She was never even a viable prosecution witness. Best way I can think of her is 'village gossip'.

The New Yorker article seems to have just cottoned on to a few things we have been discussing here for YEARS and that Bamber already knew about and has used previously in his failed freedom attempts. It's ALL nonsense. As far as the 999 call is concerned, the logs state clearly that it was simply an open line set up by the GPO operator for the police to listen in. All this does it solidify the notion of him being a chancer and as for Mark Williams Thomas - I suggest he reads up on the case again, when did Bamber claim he 'went out shooting vermin' after which time, he left the gun by the boots? Just more time wasting nonsense. I guess the CT totally forgot that he'd has TWO appeals, not one!

Finally, no silencer doesn't mean Bamber is innocent. The only way Bamber will win this is on the technicality he claims he would never accept. Police moved the bible and 'possibly' picked up the rifle? Jeremy still searching for that technicality - I can't blame HIM but people who have been here a long time have to know this is nothing more than hyperbole.

So you think the jury would have convicted Bamber if they knew the silencer had been faked?

It shows the relatives and one copper in a very poor light.

It's not just the silencer anyway, no part of this case makes sense.

 

[Rob_]

The statement that the silencer is the only physical evidence against Jeremy is wrong. There is a mountain of things.

Just as Sheila could not have shot herself with the silencer attached, she also could not fire 23 shots into other people & have no GSR on her 

But the silencer was found by the relatives so is focused on.

I cannot remember who it was but one of the scientists in the case said testing for GSR was pointless.

Sheila was in a room where countless shots had been fired two being contact shots so no sure why you keep banging on about GSR?

[lookout]

  So, 40 years on and justice is still knocking at the door. I'm referring to the present Nottingham inquiries in which those " professionals " involved also got this murder case wrong, from psychiatrists to the police.

JB documentary didn't really tell us anything that we didn't already know, except that the general public are now more aware regarding the behaviour of the police so are more up to speed on their "modus operandi".

I'm hoping upon hope for some sort of a breakthrough for as you all know I've always believed in JB's innocence. There is no doubt in my mind.
 Sheila had many marks on her body during the post-mortem, which to me was caused by a fierce struggle with " dug-in " fingernail marks, which clearly she couldn't have inflicted upon herself due to the positioning of them on the back of her body. The lack of medication would definitely have made Sheila more volatile.

[Adam]

I cannot remember who it was but one of the scientists in the case said testing for GSR was pointless.

Sheila was in a room where countless shots had been fired two being contact shots so no sure why you keep banging on about GSR?

You need to remember and post the source.

No GSR on Sheila means she did not fire any shots. But appreciate why supporters 'keep banging on' about the silencer.