Look what I found

[Jonathan]

Trying to think of a sensible reason why a second bullet wound would have appeared after Sheila was found

[Bubo bubo]

Trying to think of a sensible reason why a second bullet wound would have appeared after Sheila was found

I Have thought about this a lot. There is the accidental discharge when removing the rifle theory. I have suggested that it might be due to the police accidentally shooting June. If it was known that she was alive her death would have to be explained.

Here are some of my thoughts.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10728.msg494521.html#msg494521

[Cambridgecutie]

I Have thought about this a lot. There is the accidental discharge when removing the rifle theory. I have suggested that it might be due to the police accidentally shooting June. If it was known that she was alive her death would have to be explained.

Here are some of my thoughts.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10728.msg494521.html#msg494521

So the highly trained armed officers accidentally shoot June and SC? 

Forgive me for declining your kind offer of a link to your thoughts.

Imo you are a crank.

[Bubo bubo]

So the highly trained armed officers accidentally shoot June and SC? 

Forgive me for declining your kind offer of a link to your thoughts.

Imo you are a crank.

Takes one to know one.

If the police shot June by mistake and it was known she was alive say because of a communication e.g. 999 call. There would be a need to create a scenario which explained how this happened. PB suggests they may have moved NB. So they could also have moved SC as well. If SC had only one shot under her chin it would suggest she could not have killed June before the communication. By adding a post mortem shot and saying it was the first unsuccessful attempt it would make it possible to create a scenario where SC shot June.

I will ignore your caustic comments. I have information which remains undisclosed. Given your shenanigans on this forum your views have also become discredited. I will leave it to others as to who gets the Crank Award.

[Steve_uk]

I Have thought about this a lot. There is the accidental discharge when removing the rifle theory. I have suggested that it might be due to the police accidentally shooting June. If it was known that she was alive her death would have to be explained.

Here are some of my thoughts.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10728.msg494521.html#msg494521

Sheila doesn't look like she's been running round anywhere. No reloading a gun twice, no shooting twenty-five bullets, no physical contact with parents.  She looks as if she's been awoken from a sleep and was unaware what was about to happen, which I suggest is what did occur.

[Cambridgecutie]

Takes one to know one.

If the police shot June by mistake and it was known she was alive say because of a communication e.g. 999 call. There would be a need to create a scenario which explained how this happened. PB suggests they may have moved NB. So they could also have moved SC as well. If SC had only one shot under her chin it would suggest she could not have killed June before the communication. By adding a post mortem shot and saying it was the first unsuccessful attempt it would make it possible to create a scenario where SC shot June.

I will ignore your caustic comments. I have information which remains undisclosed. Given your shenanigans on this forum your views have also become discredited. I will leave it to others as to who gets the Crank Award.

Can you not see how you drift into la la land? 

You post above involves:

- the police shooting June
- a 999 call from inside WHF
- NB moved
- SC moved
- SC shooting June

And we know for certain if SC was responsible by definition the silencer and JM's testimony must have been fabricated.   

You make the late MT look completely logical, plausible and rational. 

[Cambridgecutie]

Sheila doesn't look like she's been running round anywhere. No reloading a gun twice, no shooting twenty-five bullets, no physical contact with parents.  She looks as if she's been awoken from a sleep and was unaware what was about to happen, which I suggest is what did occur.

What is your frame of ref? 

Yes, no physical contact with parents; SC was in possession of a loaded rifle approx 42/43 inches in length and this distance separated SC from her parents and children.  Only when she turned the rifle on herself did she sustain any debris to her person and nightdress by way of blood shed and staining.

[Bubo bubo]

Can you not see how you drift into la la land? 

You post above involves:

- the police shooting June. Not beyond the realms of possibility
- a 999 call from inside WHF. Currently claimed by CT. NewYorker. Milbank.
- NB moved Expert PB and the Aga burns theory.
- SC moved Does not your theory also includes this.
- SC shooting June. She could have on any number of occasion's. There is no recorded blood finds from areas other than the main bedroom and the wallpaper in the Hall and of course the SM. The police did not ask for ballistics or pathologists help at the crime scene. They closed it all down pronto. Essex police were shitting themselves. They came up with THEIR scenario which we are forced to believe is the truth. It was then used with minor alterations to frame JB. However for JB to be guilty you have to believe that SC let JB kill her. Unfortunately the scene they created does not work when an additional adult is added to the mix. It has more holes than than the craters on the moon.

And we know for certain if SC was responsible by definition the silencer and JM's testimony must have been fabricated. I agree. These were part of the framing process  

You make the late MT look completely logical, plausible and rational. And you cannot bear thought processes which require critical thought and which advance an alternative narrative(s)

[Cambridgecutie]

Re your post attached:

- If you are suggesting EP shot June with their HO issued firearms then how do you explain the fact all shots fired at WHF originated from NB's rifle/hollow point ammo?  You are unable/unwilling to think anything through. 

- Something claimed by CT and a journalist does not make it factually correct and/or capable of standing up to scrutiny with CCRC/CoA.  There was no 999 call from WHF just the GPO op, Jean Rowe, connecting the open line at WHF to EP HQ.

- PB is not an expert in burns/pathology.  The whole Aga burns theory is utter nonsense and even if capable of being proved correct does not exonerate/implicate JB/SC.

- Yes SC did shoot June.  I misunderstood and thought you were saying June shot SC which you have suggested in the past. 

[Bubo bubo]

Re your post attached:

- If you are suggesting EP shot June with their HO issued firearms then how do you explain the fact all shots fired at WHF originated from NB's rifle/hollow point ammo?  You are unable/unwilling to think anything through. 

- Something claimed by CT and a journalist does not make it factually correct and/or capable of standing up to scrutiny with CCRC/CoA.  There was no 999 call from WHF just the GPO op, Jean Rowe, connecting the open line at WHF to EP HQ.

We have had this argument before.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12737.msg588344.html#msg588344

- PB is not an expert in burns/pathology.  The whole Aga burns theory is utter nonsense and even if capable of being proved correct does not exonerate/implicate JB/SC.

Same again

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12776.msg591333.html#msg591333

- Yes SC did shoot June.  I misunderstood and thought you were saying June shot SC which you have suggested in the past.

Yes I did argue that. But the context was about the cover up. They (EP) shot a dead SC with the Brno and it formed part of their cover up. Their original problem was to get around the accidental shooting of June. So the first 'take' was that June shot SC with the Brno but being only stunned she recovered and shot June. If you are going to criticise my views you should take more time to digest my posts rather than ignoring them and then giving incorrect half baked rebuttals.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11889.msg546693.html#msg546693

They swapped PV20. I have posted many times on this and you need to search and read my explanations. Here is one of many

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10645.msg492394.html#msg492394

[David1819]

surprise. surprise. I found it on the Red Forum not on Blue. It was deleted when I tried to present it to others on here. But fortunately while browsing my files I found I had saved it.

It was also part of this post but it has been removed from here too.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12230.msg565395.html#msg565395

Here is the appropriate section.

10 There is a photo showing only one shot to the neck of SC. I showed this to Roch and NGB. In a forum message. Unfortunately, since I presented it and discussed it on the forum and the source it has been deleted from the Net.
https://bambermugfordaccomplicestomurder.blogspot.com/2012/03/httpmiscarriageofjustice.html

Looks like this is when they were probably first uploaded. Mike took these photos of the crime scene photos in Giovanni Distefano's office back in 2005.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1657.msg51102.html#msg51102

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1657.msg51105.html#msg51105

[Cambridgecutie]

Looks like this is when they were probably first uploaded. Mike took these photos of the crime scene photos in Giovanni Distefano's office back in 2005.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1657.msg51102.html#msg51102

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,1657.msg51105.html#msg51105

So given MT and GDS both have criminal convictions, the latter for fraud, why would any right thinking person consider either of them reliable?

[BarefootDanC]

So given MT and GDS both have criminal convictions, the latter for fraud, why would any right thinking person consider either of them reliable?

... and the claim "we have now received new photos showing Sheila still bleeding" emanate from when GDS was Jeremy's "lawyer"!

[David1819]

... and the claim "we have now received new photos showing Sheila still bleeding" emanate from when GDS was Jeremy's "lawyer"!

GDS never received new photos. The photos he had were those given to the defence 1986.

[BarefootDanC]

GDS never received new photos. The photos he had were those given to the defence 1986.

I know, but he made sensational claims about those photos!