US-Israel Attacks Iran

[Adam]

When Trump pulls out I'm sure there will be some sort of conquering ceremony in America.

Involving hundreds of troops, civilians & of course Donald at the front.

[Roch]

OK, thanks, Bubo! Lets see what unfolds in the coming weeks or months!
Anyway, what about the Iranian people being oppressed and murdered, can that be legal grounds to start a war?

Iran released the details of approx 3,170 killed in the Jan protests/riots. This figure included genuine protesters; armed rioters, about which they expressed 700 were regarded as traitors/insurgents (armed by Israel etc); and a high number of guards/police killed by the mob. They said 48 fire-trucks were set alight, to prevent the emergency services from putting out the many fires that were lit.

Can you imagine what would happen if hundreds of police officers were killed by rioters in either the UK or US?  Also, do you think it's possible that the armed rioters effectively used the general protesters as human shields?

[snow66!]

Iran released the details of approx 3,170 killed in the Jan protests/riots. This figure included genuine protesters; armed rioters, about which they expressed 700 were regarded as traitors/insurgents (armed by Israel etc); and a high number of guards/police killed by the mob. They said 48 fire-trucks were set alight, to prevent the emergency services from putting out the many fires that were lit.

Can you imagine what would happen if hundreds of police officers were killed by rioters in either the UK or US?  Also, do you think it's possible that the armed rioters effectively used the general protesters as human shields?

What were they protesting against, Roch? Is there any truth in the reports of Iran using all foreign aid on weapons instead of the people?

[gringo]

What were they protesting against, Roch? Is there any truth in the reports of Iran using all foreign aid on weapons instead of the people?

    They were protesting rising prices due to the devaluing of the Rial.  The protests were later used by agent provocateurs. The internet shutdown was to disable the starlink receivers that agents in Iran were using to communicate and co-ordinate. The deaths that Roch refers to were named and verified. The thousands gunned down is completely lacking in any corroboration or evidence.

[David1819]

One U.S. pilot rescued after F-15 jet shot down over Iran

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1AIT79fzDyA

[snow66!]

    They were protesting rising prices due to the devaluing of the Rial.  The protests were later used by agent provocateurs. The internet shutdown was to disable the starlink receivers that agents in Iran were using to communicate and co-ordinate. The deaths that Roch refers to were named and verified. The thousands gunned down is completely lacking in any corroboration or evidence.

OK, thanks, gringo!
Its just that there are so many conflicting posts on the likes of Twitter that its hard to know who is telling the truth.

[David1819]

OK, thanks, gringo!
Its just that there are so many conflicting posts on the likes of Twitter that its hard to know who is telling the truth.

You wont get any truthful insights from Gringo. Now that is the truth. 

[snow66!]

You wont get any truthful insights from Gringo. Now that is the truth. 

I will go and read more about Irans history, Dave!

[gringo]

You wont get any truthful insights from Gringo. Now that is the truth. 

    You should focus on putting your own point across more coherently. Constant personal attacks with nothing of value to add to the discussion only reflects badly on you, David

[gringo]

OK, thanks, gringo!
Its just that there are so many conflicting posts on the likes of Twitter that its hard to know who is telling the truth.

    Extraordinary claims require evidence, snow. Those claiming thousands slaughtered offer no evidence whatsoever. The Iranian government have released CCTV footage of the brutality of the agitators amongst the protesters. We have no pictures, footage nor names of these supposed thousands slaughtered Almost as if it never happened

[David1819]

    Extraordinary claims require evidence, snow. Those claiming thousands slaughtered offer no evidence whatsoever. The Iranian government have released CCTV footage of the brutality of the agitators amongst the protesters. We have no pictures, footage nor names of these supposed thousands slaughtered Almost as if it never happened

Ideologically motivated denial enabled by state-sponsored suppression of an investigation, Is hardly a compelling argument. People expressed similar scepticism during the Khmer Rouge.

[snow66!]

    Extraordinary claims require evidence, snow. Those claiming thousands slaughtered offer no evidence whatsoever. The Iranian government have released CCTV footage of the brutality of the agitators amongst the protesters. We have no pictures, footage nor names of these supposed thousands slaughtered Almost as if it never happened

OK, I will continue with caution, gringo!
Thing is, if there wasn't 20-30,000 innocent protestors killed and this is proven, it will fare bad for Trump/Israel, it will be like Saddam Hussein and the non existent weapons of mass destruction!
Although, destroying Irans nuclear capabilities was the main aim I suppose?

[gringo]

OK, I will continue with caution, gringo!
Thing is, if there wasn't 20-30,000 innocent protestors killed and this is proven, it will fare bad for Trump/Israel, it will be like Saddam Hussein and the non existent weapons of mass destruction!
Although, destroying Irans nuclear capabilities was the main aim I suppose?

    The onus is on those claiming 20,000/30,000 deaths to prove their case not the other way round, snow. Until evidence is provided the claim isn't worth consideration and is frankly obvious horseshit.

[gringo]

Ideologically motivated denial enabled by state-sponsored suppression of an investigation, Is hardly a compelling argument. People expressed similar scepticism during the Khmer Rouge.

    Denial of what? Baseless claims don't deserve a denial. You cannot supposedly gun down tens of thousands and leave not a shred of evidence. We are in 2026, David. Everybody has a camera. But not a picture , nor any footage has escaped. These are neither serious nor remotely credible allegations.

[gringo]

Ideologically motivated denial enabled by state-sponsored suppression of an investigation, Is hardly a compelling argument. People expressed similar scepticism during the Khmer Rouge.

    "Ideologically motivated accusations", would be a more accurate summary, David.