US-Israel Attacks Iran

[Cambridgecutie]

Hugo Bachega back on the BBC looking as gorgeous as ever 

[Cambridgecutie]

Apparently Ali Khamenei aka 'Supreme Leader' is 'gone'!  Gone where?  Overthrown?  Exile?  Dead? 

I wonder how much strands of his beard would sell for on Ebay? 

[nugnug]

the pedo in cheif will do anything to distract from the epstein files

[Roch]

Trump seems to have sacrificed US bases in the gulf.  I think he could be in trouble.

[David1819]

Iran confirms supreme leader Khamenei is dead after US strikes.

[Bubo bubo]

Trump seems to have sacrificed US bases in the gulf.  I think he could be in trouble.

The worm can has been opened and Pandora's box lid has been taken off. Outcomes in short and longer term remain unknown.

[gringo]

   Empire has bitten off more than it can chew and will be much diminished in the aftermath. Those client Arab monarchies in the Gulf housing the US bases are much more likely to see "regime change" than the Iranians. Empire has been in zugzwang for some time and this is the result of that. Bases being hit at will, jets falling from "friendly fire"  , Occupied Palestine on fire.
    If and when the Western presence in the Middle East becomes unsustainable then those client vassal states of the US/UK etal will in all likelihood be overthrown. Saudi, Kuwait, Bahrain, UAE, Jordan and other satraps, whose regimes/monarchies are held in place by Western military dominance which props up the dollar and their own corrupt regimes are doomed without NATO. The occupiers in Palestine have no future as a Zionist state in this scenario.
    The millenia spanning civilisation of Iran will still be standing no matter the damage, the Johnny come lately "states" mentioned above are less likely to be.

[David1819]

   As previously stated, NATO are still planning and arming for 20th century wars(Aircraft carriers and air power). All neutralised by modern air defence, missile tech and electronic warfare. In any openly declared NATO/Russia war (or China, Iran and others) no aircraft carrier or naval strike group would survive the opening skirmishes.

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[gringo]

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    AnsarAllah chased off the Carrier Group in the Red Sea very recently, David. Everything I stated in the post that you re-posted is playing out in real time before your eyes. We are still in the opening skirmishes and Empire is already evacuating bases for further afield. Why is this, David? Anything to do with missile and drone tech, would you say? Carrier groups will go nowhere near the gulf and will soon be gone or sunk. How long do you think they can remain on deployment in a real war scenario? Supply ships already struck by Iranian drones. Bahraini naval base getting battered and on fire. Where are the rail guns and lasers on Carriers that you previously predicted, David?
    Operation Epstein Fury is a last gasp Hail Mary from the Epsteined western regimes to save the system and their sorry arses. They haven't even bothered with a thin veil of diplomatic or legal justification this time. Just straight out criminal aggression against a sovereign state. Desperation!
     
   

[nugnug]

    AnsarAllah chased off the Carrier Group in the Red Sea very recently, David. Everything I stated in the post that you re-posted is playing out in real time before your eyes. We are still in the opening skirmishes and Empire is already evacuating bases for further afield. Why is this, David? Anything to do with missile and drone tech, would you say? Carrier groups will go nowhere near the gulf and will soon be gone or sunk. How long do you think they can remain on deployment in a real war scenario? Supply ships already struck by Iranian drones. Bahraini naval base getting battered and on fire. Where are the rail guns and lasers on Carriers that you previously predicted, David?
    Operation Epstein Fury is a last gasp Hail Mary from the Epsteined western regimes to save the system and their sorry arses. They haven't even bothered with a thin veil of diplomatic or legal justification this time. Just straight out criminal aggression against a sovereign state. Desperation!
     
   

i dont think trump cares about wining i think hes just hopeing everyone will forget about the epstien if he couses enough chaos

[gringo]

i dont think trump cares about wining i think hes just hopeing everyone will forget about the epstien if he couses enough chaos

    I suspect that the timing is related to the Epstein fall out. It is clear that western leaders are fatally compromised as nothing else explains their support of such blatant aggressive war. National interest certainly doesn't. The western controlled financial system is on life support after the ill advised hyper weaponisation of sanctions which backfired spectacularly and a war was inevitable at some point because there is so much corruption to hide.
    I suspect that Trump expected the threats to work and force the Iranians to submit to US/Israeli demands. The increasing militarily threatening posture could not easily be walked back without looking weak but Iran refused to bend the knee. Iran have prepared for decades for exactly this. Since the 1979 overthrowing of the MI6/CIA imposed Pahlavi, the US/UK/Israel have waged informational/economic and openly aggressive warfare against Iran. Sponsoring and arming Saddam Hussein in the 1980-1988 war was their first attempt. This infamously led to use of western supplied and targeted gas attacks against Iranian civilians by Iraqi forces. Those gas attacks were later used hypocritically by the western suppliers of the chemicals and suppliers of targeting information to criticise the brutality of Saddam and invade Iraq whilst ignoring their own, much larger, role in those chemical attacks
   Decades of preparation for a foreseeable attack is a long time in an ongoing game of geopolitical chess. Against the inventors of Chess, no less. Zugzwang indeed.

[David1819]

[gringo]

     Khamenei was assassinated on the first day, David, along with many others including 165 schoolgirls. Those murders have opened a hornet's nest of consequences that has led to US bases emptying. Bahrain, home of the US fifth fleet which is under constant barrage, on fire and evacuated, is currently having to bring in Gulf "peacekeeping forces" to quell the uprising of the Shia majority against the Western protected Sunni Sheikhs. The assassination of Khamenei is not a victory in any sense and is much more likely to lead to the fall of western vassal states such as Bahrain, UAE, Saudi et al. Iran is filled with protesters demanding vengeance. The gulf states are filled with protesters demanding the ouster of their regimes. US bases are empty because they cannot defend against Iran. Israel cannot defend the constant barrages of Iranian missiles and drones. But they murdered Khamenei and you think that is some sort of victory.
     What is the next move now that Khamenei has been murdered, David? The meme you posted demonstrates only your own vacuousness. It is a constant throughout these threads that you have nothing to add, but add it anyway. Have you got a picture and sarcy comment for the 165 schoolgirls murdered by the same psychopaths. You really ought to remain silent sometimes, David.

[gringo]

    US Embassies closing across the region, under attack and under siege. What is Empire's next move, David? They are being forced from the region.

[gringo]

"As previously stated, NATO are still planning and arming for 20th century wars(Aircraft carriers and air power). All neutralised by modern air defence, missile tech and electronic warfare. In any openly declared NATO/Russia war (or China, Iran and others) no aircraft carrier or naval strike group would survive the opening skirmishes."

    Above my post from Jan 2024 reposted by David earlier in the thread alongside a clown face. Below, further discussion on the subject from June last year for you, David.

gringo-
 Iran have many options in closing the Strait of Hormuz that no amount of warships could prevent, David, not to mention that in a gloves off conflict, warships will be amongst the first targets at such close range. Warships in all out gloves off WW3 will be as effective as Cavalry would have been in WW2. As artillery and tanks rendered cavalry obsolete, warships have also met their moment of obsolescence. Anti ship missiles and drones are to warships as artillery/tanks were to cavalry.

David-
There is no way they can block off the straight and hold off the USN. They have no peer adversary.

Warships have existed for thousands of years and I expect they will continue to evolve for perhaps a thousand more.

gringo-
You are at odds with US intel and all interested parties in that view, David. Iran are unlikely to do so but the capability to close it isn't really disputed. I expect naval power will evolve in some ways, probably some form of unmanned drones, but Aircraft Carrier strike groups are already becoming neutralised... It is generally accepted, even by US intel, that Iran could close the Strait. It is a card that Iran holds that impacts on all other decisions in the attempts to subdue Iran. US navy couldn't prevent the closure, David. Iran don't need to be a "peer adversary" in naval power to close Strait of Hormuz.

David-
 There is no way a green water navy defeats a blue water navy. Its not even debatable.

Naval defences are adapting to new threats https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJROWdRN7N0

According to Claude -...As of June 2025, the Strait has never been closed during Middle East conflicts, and in the face of a determined US response, Iran is not capable of completely closing the strait.

    Fast forward to today;
https://x.com/RealPepeEscobar/status/2028757660766699929

"Hormuz is closed. But NOT for Russian and Chinese vessels.

Only Western tankers have to fight a floating traffic jam off Fujairah and Khor Fakkan."