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Resolution 181
« on: April 10, 2026, 12:13:AM »
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"Israel has been at war since 1948. It doesn't represent a threat to its neighbours unless its own territory is attacked, a territory established by the United Nations through Resolution 181."

    Your constant repeating of this gross misrepresentation is tedious. The UN did not create the Israeli state through resolution 181 and your repetition of this line needs correcting. It is simply a lie that the UN resolution 181 created Israel. Ben Gurion and his merry band of terrorists simply declared an Israeli state unilaterally in 1948. Below it is explained in a short video,

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVVX2CzJVC4

    Resolution 181 below for you to peruse also. Steve particularly should take note, in order to correct his own misconceptions. The General Assembly passed 181 as a set of recommendations/proposals for the Security Council to implement/ratify. This has never happened.

https://www.un.org/unispal/document/auto-insert-185393/

     


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Re: Resolution 181
« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2026, 02:12:AM »
     Whilst on the subject, it is also worth correcting other dubious misrepresentations around the creation of Israel. The UN isn't even involved in the first resolutions regarding a "Jewish state" in Palestine. That was down to the predecessor to the UN, the League of Nations which existed between 1920 and 1946. Its post WW1 mission was to "maintain world peace" and it is objectively true to say that by the time of its dissolution (1946) it had failed that mission. This is not surprising given the make up of the LoN. The infamous "Versailles Treaty" which offficially ended WW1 was authored by the allied victors and permanent members of the new "League of Nations" (British Empire, France, Italy and Japan). The US didn't join because Congress voted against joining. The "Versailles Treaty" is viewed by most, if not all, historians and students of history, as punitive, destined to fail and eventually lead to more war, which it did. It is this organisation that in 1922 passed the "Mandate" for the British Empire to facilitate a Jewish State on the "territory of Palestine" as per the Balfour Declaration.

      Below the "Mandate for Palestine" 1922, to put to bed the myth of everything beginning in 1948

https://digitallibrary.un.org/record/829707?ln=en&v=pdf

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Re: Resolution 181
« Reply #2 on: April 10, 2026, 02:35:AM »
               
MANDATE FOR PALESTINE

The Council of the League of Nations:
Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose
of giving ef'fect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Convenant of the
League of Na.tions, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said
Powers the a~dm.inistration of the terri tory of Palestine, which formerly
belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed
by them; and,
Whereae1 the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the
Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration
originally n~de on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of his Britannic
Majesty, aniL adopted by the said Powers, in favour of the establishment
in PalestinE~ of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly
understood t;hat nothing should be done which might pr&judice the civil
and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or
the rights and political status enjoyed by Jew in any other country; and
Whereal3 recognition has thereby been given to the historical
connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for
reconstitut:lng their national home in that country; and
Wherea13 the Principal Allied Powers have selected His Britannic
Majesty as the Mandatory for Palestine; and
Wherea1:1 the mandate in respect of Palestine has been formulated in
the following terms and submitted to the Council of the League for
approval; run.d
Y.lherea1a His Britannic Majesty has accepted the mandate in respect
of Palestine and undertaken to exercise it on behalf of the League of
Nations in conformity with the following provisions; and
/Whereas by

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Re: Resolution 181
« Reply #3 on: April 10, 2026, 11:33:AM »
     Nothing to add Steve. You allude to 181 regularly making outlandish claims about this resolution but given the opportunity to discuss it further, you have nothing. Same for David. "Balfour is irrelevant" and "nothing to do with the creation of the state of Israel". The evidence presented so how come you aren't debunking it? Ask yourself what the "British Mandate" over Palestine was. The "mandate" was to create the state of Israel per Balfour Agreement. Britain's mandate lasted from 1920 to 1948. It is stated explicitly in the mandate, linked earlier in the thread.
     The above were the reasons for Israel's creation. It was mandated by the League of Nations and the British were given the mandate. The next 3 decades were spent making this a reality. This is a matter of record and not in dispute to anyone who knows the history. David and Steve don't understand or even know the above history. It plays no part in their "analysis" because they are completely ignorant of all of it. Any claims regarding Israel's creation that fails to consider everything above is worthless and false.

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Re: Resolution 181
« Reply #4 on: April 10, 2026, 12:52:PM »
Not sure what point you're trying to make posting the Mandate, gringo?
What exactly do you think went wrong?
Do you think the Jews should have been denied a state/country of their own and left scattered throughout the world?
What do you think should have happened to Palestine? Who should have got that land?
Should it have been an independent country at all or sliced up and incorporated into the surrounding countries?
What would have been you're solution, gringo?
What would have happened to Jerusalem and its Temples? hasn't this always been a flashpoint as it were?
Should Jerusalem and parts of the holy land simply be neutral land?

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Re: Resolution 181
« Reply #5 on: April 10, 2026, 02:07:PM »
Not sure what point you're trying to make posting the Mandate, gringo?
What exactly do you think went wrong?
Do you think the Jews should have been denied a state/country of their own and left scattered throughout the world?
What do you think should have happened to Palestine? Who should have got that land?
Should it have been an independent country at all or sliced up and incorporated into the surrounding countries?
What would have been you're solution, gringo?
What would have happened to Jerusalem and its Temples? hasn't this always been a flashpoint as it were?
Should Jerusalem and parts of the holy land simply be neutral land?
    All good questions, snow. I am out at the moment and will give a response later when I am home and have more time. To quickly deal with your first question. My reason for posting the mandate was to put to bed the myth of 1948 and the holocaust being the reasons for the creation of Israel. The Mandate is specific that the British role was to create a state as per their agreement with Zionist Bankers in 1917. It is an often repeated “fact” on these threads that “resolution 181” created Israel and much else flows from this initial false premise. I have simply corrected that because facts matter. To have a well rounded opinion on anything, surely all context and facts need consideration. Balfour and the consequent British Mandate are the most relevant facts and context in the whole story, but ignored and not even known about by most.

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Re: Resolution 181
« Reply #6 on: April 10, 2026, 02:08:PM »
Not sure what point you're trying to make posting the Mandate, gringo?
What exactly do you think went wrong?
Do you think the Jews should have been denied a state/country of their own and left scattered throughout the world?
What do you think should have happened to Palestine? Who should have got that land?
Should it have been an independent country at all or sliced up and incorporated into the surrounding countries?
What would have been you're solution, gringo?
What would have happened to Jerusalem and its Temples? hasn't this always been a flashpoint as it were?
Should Jerusalem and parts of the holy land simply be neutral land?
. I will answer the rest later, snow.

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Re: Resolution 181
« Reply #7 on: April 10, 2026, 02:58:PM »
    All good questions, snow. I am out at the moment and will give a response later when I am home and have more time. To quickly deal with your first question. My reason for posting the mandate was to put to bed the myth of 1948 and the holocaust being the reasons for the creation of Israel. The Mandate is specific that the British role was to create a state as per their agreement with Zionist Bankers in 1917. It is an often repeated “fact” on these threads that “resolution 181” created Israel and much else flows from this initial false premise. I have simply corrected that because facts matter. To have a well rounded opinion on anything, surely all context and facts need consideration. Balfour and the consequent British Mandate are the most relevant facts and context in the whole story, but ignored and not even known about by most.
Ah, gotya, gringo! Understood!

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Re: Resolution 181
« Reply #8 on: April 10, 2026, 02:59:PM »
. I will answer the rest later, snow.
No probs!

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Re: Resolution 181
« Reply #9 on: April 19, 2026, 10:54:PM »
    The rest of your questions answered, snow.
    Firstly, yes the Zionists should have been denied a state. It is a linguistic trick to conflate Jews/Zionists in the way that the framing of your question does. The Jews were not collectively calling for a state, Zionists were. Specifically Zionist terrorists (well documented) backed by the World Zionist Organisation (a collection of bankers and also well documented). What went wrong was allowing and recognising a so called "Jewish State". It is a fact that Palestine under the Ottomans was stable and generally peaceful. Simply search this question yourself, it isn't disputed. The whole area of Palestine/the Levant was multi-confessional.
     Many Jews lived in Palestine alongside Christians and Muslims without problem. These were all indigenous to the region and had lived their for generations. The overthrowing of the Ottomans, the dirty deal of Balfour and the subsequent spawning of Zionist terror groups of Europeans are the events that led to a century of bloodshed in Palestine and the Middle East generally. Blaming Iran or Palestinians or Arabs needs to ignore the fact that for 400 years it was generally peaceful until Europeans arrived claiming some God given right to the land. The European Zionists introduced massive unrest and terrorism to a previously calm region.
     A child should be able to figure out by now that the problem is probably those European, Zionist terror gangs, now called the IDF.
    The solution, snow, would have been to allow the local population to form their own governance. The British Mandate was a mistake. All of this was done with the express intention of the West controlling Middle Eastern natural wealth and resources. Arab leaders were betrayed by the British after helping them to defeat the Ottomans. Again all of this is well documented and understood. It is not for nothing that the UK is known as the "perfidious Albion".