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Offline Bubo bubo

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #285 on: January 09, 2026, 10:32:AM »
Im not waiting for no report, its a discussion forum and I choose to discuss it thank you.
Too many unknowns to get a definitive position. We have and will continue to look at all manner of issues surrounding this issue without resolution. I think we have done this to death on both sides of the argument. I will not post unless some new evidence comes to light which provides an opportunity for further discussion. Otherwise we will continue to go round in circles.

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« Reply #286 on: January 09, 2026, 10:41:AM »
This assumes we ever see his full report.

If the report is not pursued  by the legal team we will know it is worthless irrespective of its content.
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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #287 on: January 09, 2026, 10:47:AM »

During winter months, closed fires were banked up at night to ensure warmth in the morning. I don't recall that ours was used during summer months. You obviously missed the Baby Belling.

Did they have a Baby Belling? it has not been mentioned before.

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« Reply #288 on: January 09, 2026, 11:03:AM »
I can understand an EP oificer mistaking Nevill for a woman if his head was in a coal scuttle. His hair was sticking out.

However his huge 6.4 frame lying sideways with his face visible. No.
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'Only I know what really happened that night'.

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #289 on: January 09, 2026, 11:12:AM »
Too many unknowns to get a definitive position. We have and will continue to look at all manner of issues surrounding this issue without resolution. I think we have done this to death on both sides of the argument. I will not post unless some new evidence comes to light which provides an opportunity for further discussion. Otherwise we will continue to go round in circles.
Very wise decision, Bubo,  without  evidence, the position simply isn’t attainable and falls completely Flat.

If you want we can discuss the use of pig skin, I did some research… Pig skin can illustrate how heat affects tissue, At best it shows possibility,  but not proof.


Take into account the age of Neville, the thickness of skin and fat he was carrying, muscle distribution.

So how would the Courts look at the use of Pigskin, they would certainly ask…… Was the heat level established on the Aga on the night,  Was contact made and for how long,    Was the body position of Neville established and was the exact height of the Aga’s the same, Courts don’t work on roughly the same height, especially when Body contact is being examined.

And that’s before they ask, who moved him 😂😂🙈
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« Reply #290 on: January 09, 2026, 11:26:AM »
He based his test on the Aga on full heat, he states this.  He never mentions he’s done multiple tests or he would have said. He didn’t make any adjustment to height, the stooge was on the floor and the Aga is seated three inch higher than the WHF Aga. We built our fire up at night in the winter, there was no need to in the height of summer, cooking wasn’t a problem,  kids like cereals in a morning, Neville was an early riser anyway and would have lite the Aga.  As Jane pointed out, they also had other means for cooking.


Would you accept this as evidence to convict Bamber, the Aga had to be on full heat, and the Aga had to sit three inch prouder than the one in WHF where body contact was made?


Of course, it can't be called a definitive experiment if it hasn't been tested by other persons. It carries no weight for one person to make a claim which hasn't been verified by others, ergo, Boyce's 'party piece' can't be said to have produced an ultimate conclusion.

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« Reply #291 on: January 09, 2026, 11:48:AM »

Of course, it can't be called a definitive experiment if it hasn't been tested by other persons. It carries no weight for one person to make a claim which hasn't been verified by others, ergo, Boyce's 'party piece' can't be said to have produced an ultimate conclusion.
Was WHF solid fuel burning Jane?

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« Reply #292 on: January 09, 2026, 12:07:PM »
Was WHF solid fuel burning Jane?


Given that Nevill's head was placed in a coal skuttle, I can only assume it was. I'd previously believed it to be oil conversion, which even now, can't be totally eliminated. I note that there was no log basket which could rule out a wood burner, but it was the height of summer.

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« Reply #293 on: January 09, 2026, 12:13:PM »
Did they have a Baby Belling? it has not been mentioned before.


One of the kitchen pictures shows one. From memory, it on the wall to the right of the Aga as one looks at it. I don't know any Aga owner who hasn't, at least one, other means of cooking. You mentioned a microwave. I had one in 1982, but I had to use it in tandem with my oven. Their uses, then, were somewhat limited.

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« Reply #294 on: January 09, 2026, 12:15:PM »

Given that Nevill's head was placed in a coal skuttle, I can only assume it was. I'd previously believed it to be oil conversion, which even now, can't be totally eliminated. I note that there was no log basket which could rule out a wood burner, but it was the height of summer.
Im going by the fact Boyce is using either gas or oil fired Aga for his experiment.  Your reasoning with it being Coal and the Coal scuttle makes sense Jane. Btheres a box on the side of Boyce’s Aga that looks to me like it’s Oil?

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« Reply #295 on: January 09, 2026, 12:17:PM »
If the report is not pursued  be the legal team we will know it is worthless irrespective of its content.

how will we know if it's not pursued by the legal team?

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« Reply #296 on: January 09, 2026, 12:19:PM »
Im going by the fact Boyce is using either gas or oil fired Aga for his experiment.  Your reasoning with it being Coal and the Coal scuttle makes sense Jane. Btheres a box on the side of Boyce’s Aga that looks to me like it’s Oil?

yes it's oil. Assuming the WHF Aga was coal it would need stoking up to reach a good heat. Unlikely in the middle of the night at the warmest time of the year.

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« Reply #297 on: January 09, 2026, 12:22:PM »
yes it's oil. Assuming the WHF Aga was coal it would need stoking up to reach a good heat. Unlikely in the middle of the night at the warmest time of the year.
So that’s another porky (pun) then, he’s not using the same Aga as WHF  😂😂😂🙈

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« Reply #298 on: January 09, 2026, 12:24:PM »
Im going by the fact Boyce is using either gas or oil fired Aga for his experiment.  Your reasoning with it being Coal and the Coal scuttle makes sense Jane. Btheres a box on the side of Boyce’s Aga that looks to me like it’s Oil?

You're quite correct. Our black box is in a cupboard beside the Aga.

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #299 on: January 09, 2026, 12:36:PM »
You're quite correct. Our black box is in a cupboard beside the Aga.
So if we summarise, it’s not the same height,  it’s not the same heat which cannot be replicated anyway, it’s not a like for like Aga, and it’s not the same skin, But everything can be different,  as long as the conclusion stays the same.  Free Bamber at any Cost?
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