Colour of burns

[Adam]

The aga plates is where he would have burned the rifle nozzle.

It is a plate for heating food in pots & pans so would instantly get scolding hot.

[snow66!]

This is what David Boutflour said to David Smith in an interview…… During the clean-up on August 10, by his ownaccount David Boutflour picked up some ammunition that was lying around and went to return it to the gun cupboard where he found hidden away the sound moderator — we can call-it the “silencer” — of the murder weapon. It was STICKY as if it had been hurriedly cleaned, and
appeared to show spots of blood and flecks of-red paint, and a single hair. Boutflour told me: “I remember some things like it was yesterday. I remember finding the silencer.  He’s suggesting that we fraudulently shoved the  paint and the blood in to make it appear he had done it. Well, that’s a load of rubbish.

Sticky,   After research I found…… Suppressors trap:
   •   carbon,
   •   burnt powder residue,
   •   microscopic lead particles.

If someone tries to clean it quickly:
   •   with water,
   •   without solvent,
   •   and without drying it fully,

carbon residue can soften and smear rather than wash away. As it dries, it can feel gummy or sticky, especially inside baffles or on textured metal.

Firearms and moderators are normally coated with:
   •   gun oil,
   •   light grease,
   •   or preservative lubricant.

If a silencer is:
   •   rinsed or wiped with water,
   •   but not properly degreased,

you often get a thin emulsified residue. As the water evaporates, what’s left behind feels:
   •   slightly sticky,
   •   tacky,
   •   or draggy to the touc

Blood mixed with moisture

Blood that’s:
   •   diluted with water,
   •   incompletely rinsed,
   •   and allowed to dry,

often becomes tacky rather than flaky. It doesn’t always dry hard — especially if mixed with oil or grease already on

I dont think Dave mentioned the silencer being sticky in his statements or trial evidence, HB!
And he denied ever seing a hair.
Of course in hindsight after doing research like yourself he may add the term 'sticky', which obviously points to Bamber washing the silencer!
But!! just when did he first mention 'sticky' before 'Crimes that shook Britain'?
And one other thing, just why did Dave attempt to unscrew the knurled end of the silencer? Did he ever give a reason? Probably just wanted to make it clear that he couldn't have contamlnated the baffles with his blood!

[Hardy Boy]

But we all know the Boyce Aga is about three inches off the floor, HB!
Boyce allowed for this!

You can’t allow for height, you either match it or you don’t, do you think a traffic accident or car crash at 20 mph and saying you allowed for the fact it was actually 40 would be allowed, or a high jump was done with the bar higher and claiming the same height would suffice,  sorry snow your allowing for “it” doesn’t mean reconstruction as in evidence,   the CCRC don’t work on hope that it fits, the CCRC work on it actually does fit!

[snow66!]

You can’t allow for height, you either match it or you don’t, do you think a traffic accident or car crash at 20 mph and saying you allowed for the fact it was actually 40 would be allowed, or a high jump was done with the bar higher and claiming the same height would suffice,  sorry snow your allowing for “it” doesn’t mean reconstruction as in evidence,   the CCRC don’t work on hope that it fits, the CCRC work on it actually does fit!

I just presumed that Boyce had placed a three inch frame on the floor for the volunteer to lie on, HB!
I will try and find out about this.

[Hardy Boy]

I dont think Dave mentioned the silencer being sticky in his statements or trial evidence, HB!
And he denied ever seing a hair.
Of course in hindsight after doing research like yourself he may add the term 'sticky', which obviously points to Bamber washing the silencer!
But!! just when did he first mention 'sticky' before 'Crimes that shook Britain'?
And one other thing, just why did Dave attempt to unscrew the knurled end of the silencer? Did he ever give a reason? Probably just wanted to make it clear that he couldn't have contamlnated the baffles with his blood!

You could be right Snow, I tried to read up on the cleaning of the silencer after our discussion the other day and I came across the interview the other day.  I have read the interview before and can remember David talking to him and Ann refused,.  After I researched it,  To be honest I tried a little experiment with SRAM butter grease that I use on my front forks,  it did feel sticky after just washing it!  If I’d used my degreaser it would have removed the grease, washing doesn’t.  Grease does feel a little Sticky after just washing. 

Washing grease with water alone makes it feel sticky because the two substances do not mix effectively.

[Hardy Boy]

I just presumed that Boyce had placed a three inch frame on the floor for the volunteer to lie on, HB!
I will try and find out about this.

Why bother Snow the picture from the video  frame is here, no platform in sight snow.  That’s where you go wrong Snow, Presumption isn’t reconstruction at all,  If the height wasn’t matched and documented, then it wasn’t replicated

[Bubo bubo]

I just presumed that Boyce had placed a three inch frame on the floor for the volunteer to lie on, HB!
I will try and find out about this.

You also have to take account of NB's shoulder width. His shoulders look huge. So the three inch difference may not be the only factor to take into account.

[Hardy Boy]

NOPE snow no platform.  You can add one if you like to progress your knockout theory 😂

[snow66!]

Why bother Snow the picture from the video  frame is here, no platform in sight snow.  That’s where you go wrong Snow, Presumption isn’t reconstruction at all,  If the height wasn’t matched and documented, then it wasn’t replicated

Maybe that is why the volunteer has his elbow on the floor, to allow for the Aga being higher?

[Bubo bubo]

NOPE snow no platform.  You can add one if you like to progress your knockout theory 😂

Was NB flat on the floor or was he raised up in any way say by falling across the leg(s) or a part of a chair.

[Hardy Boy]

You also have to take account of NB's shoulder width. His shoulders look huge. So the three inch difference may not be the only factor to take into account.

Did Boyce allow for this,    It’s interesting how the focus has shifted from the Aga’s height to Neville’s shoulders,   as if shoulder width alters floor level.  Your forgetting the seriousness of this… This is being put as evidence to the CCRC and accusing the police of movement of Neville’s body, not a casual demonstration and it doesn’t replicate  the conditions inside WHF.

[snow66!]

You also have to take account of NB's shoulder width. His shoulders look huge. So the three inch difference may not be the only factor to take into account.

Yes, but I suppose the spacings of the burns cant really change much anyway can they, Bubo?

[Hardy Boy]

Yes, but I suppose the spacings of the burns cant really change much anyway can they, Bubo?

Ha Ha, So the burns are fixed, the handles are fixed, but the Aga height is optional now Snow, so the Aga height doesn’t matter anymore, especially when you don’t want it to.

[Hardy Boy]

Ha Ha, So the burns are fixed, the handles are fixed, but the Aga height is optional now Snow, so the Aga height doesn’t matter anymore, especially when you don’t want it to.

Snows getting very worried, he’s in my profile now 😂😂😂

[snow66!]

Ha Ha, So the burns are fixed, the handles are fixed, but the Aga height is optional now Snow, so the Aga height doesn’t matter anymore, especially when you don’t want it to.

On the contrary, HB, we were discussing the Aga height the other day and Jonathan doubted that the centre of Nevills back would reach the Aga parts even if the bottom of the Aga was level with the floor!
Boyce is actually at a disadvantage with the Aga raised up on the bricks!