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Offline Bubo bubo

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #180 on: January 02, 2026, 02:49:PM »
Were the police there?  Was the trial judge there?  Was the prosecution there?  Was the defence there?  Were jurors there?  Was the pathologist there?  Were the defence experts there?  Was the FSS there?  We know no one was there!  No one needs to be there to understand what happened; its the reason soc reconstructions are carried out but in this case to date it hasn't happened.  When it does happen it will show exactly what happened and it will not include all the nonsense you post up.

Do not lecture me about nonsense posts. Your claims as to the marks on NB are factually incorrect.

The true beginning: 1950s


The first widely adopted metal spinal fixation device was the Harrington rod, developed in 1953 by Paul Harrington.
Although technically a rod, not a plate, it marks the start of modern metal spinal instrumentation. It was initially for scoliosis but soon used for traumatic spinal injuries as well.

Expansion to trauma: 1960s–1970s

By the 1970s, Harrington rods were routinely used to stabilise burst fractures and other spinal injuries.
This is the first period where metal implants became standard for fixing spinal trauma.

True “plate” systems: late 1970s–1980s

Segmental fixation systems (Luque wires, later pedicle screw–rod constructs) emerged in the mid 1970s and evolved into the plate and screw systems used today. These were not in your search results, but historically they follow directly from the Harrington era.

So it cannot be an old war wound fix and if it was a rod fix it would not have the features which are presented and if it happened later it would have been common knowledge in the family and JB would have known.


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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #181 on: January 02, 2026, 03:16:PM »
Do not lecture me about nonsense posts. Your claims as to the marks on NB are factually incorrect.

The true beginning: 1950s


The first widely adopted metal spinal fixation device was the Harrington rod, developed in 1953 by Paul Harrington.
Although technically a rod, not a plate, it marks the start of modern metal spinal instrumentation. It was initially for scoliosis but soon used for traumatic spinal injuries as well.

Expansion to trauma: 1960s–1970s

By the 1970s, Harrington rods were routinely used to stabilise burst fractures and other spinal injuries.
This is the first period where metal implants became standard for fixing spinal trauma.

True “plate” systems: late 1970s–1980s

Segmental fixation systems (Luque wires, later pedicle screw–rod constructs) emerged in the mid 1970s and evolved into the plate and screw systems used today. These were not in your search results, but historically they follow directly from the Harrington era.

So it cannot be an old war wound fix and if it was a rod fix it would not have the features which are presented and if it happened later it would have been common knowledge in the family and JB would have known.

I have pointed this out before. Also they would have removed such items that would not have been incinerated in the cremation process.

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #182 on: January 02, 2026, 04:18:PM »
I hope the "burns" get referred to the CoA - just to hear what they have to say. The judges are not afraid to use the word "nonsensical"

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #183 on: January 02, 2026, 04:26:PM »
I hope the "burns" get referred to the CoA - just to hear what they have to say. The judges are not afraid to use the word "nonsensical"
Well you better donate to make sure that happens, Jonathen!
About 5k is still needed, with only a few days left to make a donation!

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #184 on: January 02, 2026, 06:04:PM »
Well you better donate to make sure that happens, Jonathen!
About 5k is still needed, with only a few days left to make a donation!

Donate?  ;D I wouldn't donate someone else's old socks!

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« Reply #185 on: January 02, 2026, 06:28:PM »
Well you better donate to make sure that happens, Jonathen!
About 5k is still needed, with only a few days left to make a donation!

Don't worry he'll get to 20k. Even if by some chance he doesn't I think his legal challenge will go forward anyway.

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #186 on: January 02, 2026, 06:50:PM »
Donate?  ;D I wouldn't donate someone else's old socks!
Hi Zoso, hope you're keeping well! Happy New Year!

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #187 on: January 02, 2026, 06:51:PM »
Don't worry he'll get to 20k. Even if by some chance he doesn't I think his legal challenge will go forward anyway.
Well we'll know in a day or two, Jonathan!

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« Reply #188 on: January 02, 2026, 06:58:PM »
The crowd funder would have been set at an achievable amount. Once achieved supporters can claim a victory.

Not sure how far 20k will go on an expensive lawyer and his team.
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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #189 on: January 02, 2026, 07:02:PM »
The crowd funder would have been set at an achievable amount. Once achieved supporters can claim a victory.

Not sure how far 20k will go on an expensive lawyer and his team.

It will not go far.

Simple ACAS solicitor tribunals procedures can fare exceed it.
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« Reply #190 on: January 02, 2026, 07:03:PM »
Jeremy needs a celebrity or millionaire backer.

David Bain had Joe Karam.

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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #191 on: January 02, 2026, 07:09:PM »
Do not lecture me about nonsense posts. Your claims as to the marks on NB are factually incorrect.

The true beginning: 1950s


The first widely adopted metal spinal fixation device was the Harrington rod, developed in 1953 by Paul Harrington.
Although technically a rod, not a plate, it marks the start of modern metal spinal instrumentation. It was initially for scoliosis but soon used for traumatic spinal injuries as well.

Expansion to trauma: 1960s–1970s

By the 1970s, Harrington rods were routinely used to stabilise burst fractures and other spinal injuries.
This is the first period where metal implants became standard for fixing spinal trauma.

True “plate” systems: late 1970s–1980s

Segmental fixation systems (Luque wires, later pedicle screw–rod constructs) emerged in the mid 1970s and evolved into the plate and screw systems used today. These were not in your search results, but historically they follow directly from the Harrington era.

So it cannot be an old war wound fix and if it was a rod fix it would not have the features which are presented and if it happened later it would have been common knowledge in the family and JB would have known.

I have referred to orthopedic hardware causing the marks.  This was used long before the plane crash.  And how do you know NB did not have further back surgery at a later date? 

Why would it be known to the family/JB?  It did not hold the sort of importance pre trial that posters here attach to it today.  Why would JB know?  There was nothing visible pre death.  The marks came about post death due to NB's found position ie his back/neck the highest point with blood pooling at the lowest points.  Hence the hardware was pressing against his skin.  Prof Knight was spot on when he said it was caused by prodding.

Its all moot anyway as the CCRC/CoA will not be remotely interested because it cannot in any way exonerate/implicate SC/JB.
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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #192 on: January 02, 2026, 07:12:PM »
Jeremy needs a celebrity or millionaire backer.

David Bain had Joe Karam.

Maybe MWT is doing his tour for Jeremy.
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« Reply #193 on: January 02, 2026, 07:14:PM »
Maybe MWT is doing his tour for Jeremy.

Respect to MWT for the Savile documentary, brilliant work and some of the stuff he has done is good.
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Re: Colour of burns
« Reply #194 on: January 02, 2026, 07:18:PM »
Maybe MWT is doing his tour for Jeremy.

The trouble for Jeremy is the general consensus for most people who look into his case believe he was rightfully convicted.

His supporters are seen as cranks and women who " Fancy him " Because he was a good looking guy back in the day.

He is a sugar and spice charchter.

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