Colour of burns

[Bubo bubo]

Of course the Bambers Aga was sitting directly on the floor! Look at the photos here in the archive, Jonathan!

If NB was badly wounded and on the floor it would make sense to get his back up against the Aga. He could then only be attacked to his front. It would also make it difficult to hit him without making contact with the Aga and this could have led to the stock being broken from a frenzied stroke. Small burns on his back would be the least of his worries and pain from earlier wounds like a shattered bone in his arm would be more painful.

[Steve_uk]

Looking at the photos in the archive I would say that Nevill had relatively broad shoulders!
Funnily enough, in the last year or so I have taken to feeding the birds in the garden on a regular daily basis, you know how it is, once you feed them they always return and you dont want to disappoint them!
So, I buy about four loafs every time I visit the supermarket now!
BUT, I am always looking for the cheapest wholemeal bread I can find to keep the cost down, and low and behold I came across Tesco's budget brown bread which is called 'H.W. Nevill's', its only 55pence per loaf!
Is it available in your local Tesco too people??

Every little helps.

[Steve_uk]

Surely JB would want to keep all the victims together as much as possible if he was the killer, Steve?
Victims scattering all through the house would not be a good scenario for him. Gee whizz, he had enough on his plate trying to leave Sheila till last!
QC always said, if JB was the killer Nevill would never have made it to the kitchen!

Well, Nevill was supposed to have made a telephone call, so either it had to be made to look as if he reached the kitchen or his office, or Jeremy would have to replace the bedroom telephone, which had mysteriously been removed some time before.

[Bubo bubo]

Well, Nevill was supposed to have made a telephone call, so either it had to be made to look as if he reached the kitchen or his office, or Jeremy would have to replace the bedroom telephone, which had mysteriously been removed some time before.

There is nothing mysterious about the bedroom phone. There is no definitive evidence as to why the phones were as recorded. June is said to have preferred it to newer kitchen phone and could have moved it after the cordless phone was out of action. Who knows who may have moved any of the phones before or after entry. For example if it was in the bedroom the police could have moved it so Harris could speak to PS. In any case without a phone connected to the master socket no calls could be made.

[Jonathan]

I still think it's a stretch for anyone to lie in such a way it leaves those marks.

His skin contacts the sharp point of the handle and 2 other parts of the handle but no other part of the aga - the rest of the oven would be hotter than the handle

[Jonathan]

There is nothing mysterious about the bedroom phone. There is no definitive evidence as to why the phones were as recorded. June is said to have preferred it to newer kitchen phone and could have moved it after the cordless phone was out of action. Who knows who may have moved any of the phones before or after entry. For example if it was in the bedroom the police could have moved it so Harris could speak to PS. In any case without a phone connected to the master socket no calls could be made.

Do you think they always kept a spare phone under a pile of magazines?

[Adam]

The bedroom pbone being in the kitchen is mysterious.

As it was 'the bedroom phone' and the kitchen phone was working.

[Steve_uk]

Do you think they always kept a spare phone under a pile of magazines?

It's suspicious, to say the least.

[Jonathan]

The bedroom pbone being in the kitchen is mysterious.

As it was 'the bedroom phone' and the kitchen phone was working.

June was said to have liked the bedroom phone - but clearly not enough to have it as the regular phone in the kitchen. Also unclear why they didn't put the spare phone in the bedroom to replace the one they moved to the kitchen - instead burying it beneath magazines.

[Bubo bubo]

Do you think they always kept a spare phone under a pile of magazines?

Stupid childish response. How it got there is unknown as I stated. It is possible that SC hid it disabling the ability to call without a phone in the master socket. If she knew NB was making calls it would put a stop to communication.

[Bubo bubo]

His skin contacts the sharp point of the handle and 2 other parts of the handle but no other part of the aga - the rest of the oven would be hotter than the handle

The issue of the burns was that the firing of the rifle did not create enough heat to cause the burns but if heated to 200c it could. The main thrust of the investigation was that the SM was not used when SC was shot. The matter of the burns was left unresolved. "It is not known how the rifle became that hot".

However there is another possibility irrespective of the base material or any plating.

Aga door handles can indeed get quite hot. If you’re experiencing excessive heat, it might be due to worn-out insulation or missing door washers. These washers help reduce heat transfer, so replacing them could improve efficiency.

Given Jane's suggestion about the lack of maintenance by the family in general this may indeed have caused the oval burn mark. Without a test as to which parts of the handle would get the hottest we cannot be certain but nevertheless it does not rule out the handle.

As well as the handle the door can become heated by other means

[Jonathan]

Stupid childish response. How it got there is unknown as I stated. It is possible that SC hid it disabling the ability to call without a phone in the master socket. If she knew NB was making calls it would put a stop to communication.

why would Sheila disable calls? she was going to kill everyone and herself what did she care what calls where made?

[Jane]

The issue of the burns was that the firing of the rifle did not create enough heat to cause the burns but if heated to 200c it could. The main thrust of the investigation was that the SM was not used when SC was shot. The matter of the burns was left unresolved. "It is not known how the rifle became that hot".

However there is another possibility irrespective of the base material or any plating.

Aga door handles can indeed get quite hot. If you’re experiencing excessive heat, it might be due to worn-out insulation or missing door washers. These washers help reduce heat transfer, so replacing them could improve efficiency.


The oven handles on our Aga don't have washers. As I said, previously, I have no problem in handling, without protection, the slow oven handle. I can also remove cooked food and warmed plates from it. It's not something I'd attempt with the roasting oven without protection! However, a horizontal body wouldn't come into contact with the roasting oven.

Given Jane's suggestion about the lack of maintenance by the family in general this may indeed have caused the oval burn mark. Without a test as to which parts of the handle would get the hottest we cannot be certain but nevertheless it does not rule out the handle.

As well as the handle the door can become heated by other means

I can't think of "other means" by which the doors can become hot, without the handles.

[Jane]

why would Sheila disable calls? she was going to kill everyone and herself what did she care what calls where made?

I suspect many of those things, laid at Sheila's door, which require a degree of preplanning, would have been beyond her, anyway. Apart from being irrelevant.

[Bubo bubo]

I can't think of "other means" by which the doors can become hot, without the handles.

1. Perished or Compressed Door Seals.

2. Insulation Slump Inside the Cooker

3. Faulty Thermostat or Control System (Electric AGAs especially)

Why don’t we turn our AGA off in the summer? Well there are two reasons:

1. We have found that when we turn our AGA off and then turn it back on there is a very good chance that one of the heating elements in it is going to blow. As the call out charge and fixing cost comes to £150 it is best for us to keep it on.

2. We don’t have a separate cooker, we only have the AGA and a standard microwave.