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[Adam]

For me, I don't buy the bluster approach said by Julie and I don't believe Stan, EP, the relatives, or even Colin do as well.

She was keenly on board and utilised by the DDP to get the desired result.

Do you believe -

Jeremy said nothing to Julie.

Julie encouraged Jeremy more than she said.

[ILB]

Do you believe -

Jeremy said nothing to Julie.

Julie encouraged Jeremy more than she said.

In answer to your first point I would have expected SB to have said in her first WS that Julie had told her about Jeremy's "weird ramblings or plans" Julie's mantra as you said was that she didn't think he was being serious and was just venting. Girls and women over share everything. The two were best friends, and lived together.

I think she was on board totally. And got cold feet due to him not wanting to carry it on.

[Adam]

In answer to your first point I would have expected SB to have said in her first WS that Julie had told her about Jeremy's "weird ramblings or plans" Julie's mantra as you said was that she didn't think he was being serious and was just venting. Girls and women over share everything. The two were best friends, and lived together.

I think she was on board totally. And got cold feet due to him not wanting to carry it on.

When SB's WS has supported Julie's you have said it is part of the frame.

[ILB]

When SB's WS has supported Julie's you have said it is part of the frame.

What frame?

[Adam]

What frame?

The frame on Jeremy.

SB's WS said Julie told her 'Jeremy said we may hear from him later'. After his 10.00pm call to Julie.

You said SB made that up to support Julie.

[ILB]

The frame on Jeremy.

SB's WS said Julie told her 'Jeremy said we may hear from him later'. After his 10.00pm call to Julie.

You said SB made that up to support Julie.

No I did not say that at all.

I said that SB must have been very suspicious ASAP if that was the case.

[Adam]

No I did not say that at all.

I said that SB must have been very suspicious ASAP if that was the case.

So you believe Julie did say that to SB. You previously wrote -

'Its clear the 10pm phonecall was refreshed in Battersbys memory by someone who read the 1st statement and wasn't happy with it.

Wonder who?'

[ILB]

So you believe Julie did say that to SB. You previously wrote -

'Its clear the 10pm phonecall was refreshed in Battersbys memory by someone who read the 1st statement and wasn't happy with it.

Wonder who?'

The four housemates had different times.

LW statement put the phonecall from an hour before.

My overriding point, if your partner makes a reference to killing his whole family over a long period and you believe it's bullshit you will mention it to your friends, especially your best one. She was a 21 year old girl.

[Adam]

The four housemates had different times.

LW statement put the phonecall from an hour before.

My overriding point, if your partner makes a reference to killing his whole family over a long period and you believe it's bullshit you will mention it to your friends, especially your best one. She was a 21 year old girl.

In your opinion she would mention it. Neither of us met Julie or SB so can't say they would have said/not said.

The evidence Jeremy said 'you may hear from me later' is strong -

Julie says he said it 

SB says Julie said 'we may hear from Jeremy later'.

Jeremy has never denied saying it.

Julie & SB did hear from him later!

[ILB]

In your opinion she would mention it. Neither of us met Julie or SB so can't say they would have said/not said.

The evidence Jeremy said 'you may hear from me later' is strong -

Julie says he said it 

SB says Julie said 'we may hear from Jeremy later'.

Jeremy has never denied saying it.

Julie & SB did hear from him later!

The evidence Jeremy said " You may hear from me later " Isn't strong on its own instance.

Both parties agree about the 10pm phone call

They differ on the contents.

[ILB]

Both girls socialised with the admitted child killer in the aftermath, SB even playfully throwing a cake in his face

[Steve_uk]

Both girls socialised with the admitted child killer in the aftermath, SB even playfully throwing a cake in his face

But that tends to add credence to Julie when she said she was still unsure whether Jeremy or the proxy Matthew was the perpetrator. I agree that Julie's behaviour during those four or five weeks was strange. She was a woman in love.

As for Susan Battersby, she was in the dark about Jeremy at that stage. It was the occasion of Julie's 21st birthday on August 21 1985.

[ILB]

But that tends to add credence to Julie when she said she was still unsure whether Jeremy or the proxy Matthew was the perpetrator. I agree that Julie's behaviour during those four or five weeks was strange. She was a woman in love.

As for Susan Battersby, she was in the dark about Jeremy at that stage. It was the occasion of Julie's 21st birthday on August 21 1985.

Why would any sane girl want to be with an admitted child killer unless she was on board?

Cmon Steve.

[Steve_uk]

Why would any sane girl want to be with an admitted child killer unless she was on board?

Cmon Steve.

Have you heard the saying: Love is blind..

[Adam]

Why would any sane girl want to be with an admitted child killer unless she was on board?

Cmon Steve.

Are you talking about SB? Julie did not tell her until the 27th August.

The possible reasons Julie stayed with Jeremy until the 27th August have been posted before.