Mark Williams-Thomas Theatre tour

[ILB]

I can still remember my first arrest from 1982!

[Adam]

I would disagree in fairness, it is the most memorable night of his life. I believe he would be able to recall it clearly.

He told Julie 7 & that Sheila laid on the bed to be shot.

So either lied, gave her wrong information by mistake or Julie didn't remember clearly.

[Steve_uk]

I would disagree in fairness, it is the most memorable night of his life. I believe he would be able to recall it clearly.

Not if he were high on cocaine.

[ILB]

Not if he were high on cocaine.

Very doubtful.  I believe what ever the situation he was completley sober that night.

[Adam]

He would be focused after months of planning.

Cycling there would have been a good physical warm up for what he was going to have to do inside WHF.

[ILB]

Why would it?  She wasn’t there to see any physical evidence, she relied on what she was told, doesn’t mean she wasn’t onboard with the planning of it and the knowledge that he’d done it?

I agree 100 per cent with that ILB, Julie knew what he was up to, she knew the night before “tonight’s the night” and she knew he’d done it.  She tried to cover up for him till he dumped her.  It’s ok saying I didn’t think he would do it, but when something you’ve been discussing and planning actually happens on this scale,  the very thing you’ve been talking about suddenly becomes reality, it’s hard to pretend you don’t know what’s happened, and it’s hard to pretend your innocence.

There is no other way to describe the gulity scenario.

Jeremy can't highlight her involvment as it would knacker his own freedom fight.

[Steve_uk]

Very doubtful.  I believe what ever the situation he was completley sober that night.

Ann Eaton noticed his eyes were "like saucers" that first morning.

[Adam]

There is no other way to describe the gulity scenario.

Jeremy can't highlight her involvment as it would knacker his own freedom fight.

Do you think Jeremy is guilty but never spoke about it to Julie?

[ILB]

Do you think Jeremy is guilty but never spoke about it to Julie?

If Jeremy is gulity Julie was on board and only went to police not out of sadness for Nevill June the boys and Shelia but out of jealousy that Jeremy was going with other women and didn't want to carry on with her.  She may have also felt the net would close on Jeremy sooner or later and may have wanted to prematurely present a picture better than what could have eventually been painted.

Giving EP a  sanistised version of events in regards to her own feelings minimising her own true feelings and involvment.

Knowing Jeremy would have never confessed as I have retierated.

[Steve_uk]

If Jeremy is gulity Julie was on board and only went to police not out of sadness for Nevill June the boys and Shelia but out of jealousy that Jeremy was going with other women and didn't want to carry on with her.  She may have also felt the net would close on Jeremy sooner or later and may have wanted to prematurely present a picture better than what could have eventually been painted.

Giving EP a  sanistised version of events in regards to her own feelings minimising her own true feelings and involvment.

Knowing Jeremy would have never confessed as I have retierated.

Given Jeremy's animosity to say the least vis-à-vis the relatives I wonder if one day he will admit to the killings but deny any knowledge of the silencer.

[Adam]

If Jeremy is gulity Julie was on board and only went to police not out of sadness for Nevill June the boys and Shelia but out of jealousy that Jeremy was going with other women and didn't want to carry on with her.  She may have also felt the net would close on Jeremy sooner or later and may have wanted to prematurely present a picture better than what could have eventually been painted.

Giving EP a  sanistised version of events in regards to her own feelings minimising her own true feelings and involvment.

Knowing Jeremy would have never confessed as I have retierated.

Agree she was on board. Mainly because she thought it was just bluster.

She did go to the police after they had split up.

[Adam]

The forensic and circumstantial evidence confirms Jeremy's guilt.

I believe he would have spoken to Julie about it over 18 months. Her WS & court testimony has her saying he did speak about it. Her WS does have a lot of information which she would not have read in the following days papers.

Whether she encouraged him more than she says is doubtful to me. If I am wrong it would not overturn the conviction.

[Rob_]

Given Jeremy's animosity to say the least vis-à-vis the relatives I wonder if one day he will admit to the killings but deny any knowledge of the silencer.

I have often looked at the case from this perspective, but if guilty and Bamber never used the silencer that night surely the defenses strategy at trial would have been completely different?

[Steve_uk]

I have often looked at the case from this perspective, but if guilty and Bamber never used the silencer that night surely the defenses strategy at trial would have been completely different?

It would put the cat among the pigeons, but would one believe him after all this time?

I don't know what the defence would have argued at trial. Obviously, if pleading not guilty he ostensibly has no knowledge a silencer wasn't used.

His motive always was money, and to have it when you're young, to quote Liz Rimington. Once convicted his desire was to make life as difficult as possible for the relatives, such as dragging Peter and Ann to the Land Tribunal hearing at Full Sutton in the early 1990s.

But now he is getting on it might set the case alight were he to admit guilt, but concurrently to deny he used the silencer. He would at least have a revenge of sorts on his cousins, if waving goodbye to the inheritance in the process.