Jonathan's Jeremy & Sheila scenarios.

[Rob_]

Maybe you might do this  - others will be almost paralysed with fear

as I said maybe Jem told her he'd spare the twins if she did as she was told

believing that Sheila could be manoeuvred into position is not a difficult hurdle to overcome

no sorry most women would only be concerned for their children Sheila would never just lie down after seeing what had happened to June.

[Adam]

I don't believe he led Sheila via the twins room. If he did that he might as well shoot her in that room.

[Rob_]

I don't believe he led Sheila via the twins room. If he did that he might as well shoot her in that room.

I agree and Bamber would not walk Sheila past June so we have a problem.

[Adam]

He could have carried Sheila.

She was very light & drowsy. Probably asleep and it was only 10 yards.

Lots of options. All we know is he shot Sheila twice in his chosen location & received no.resistance.

[Adam]

I agree and Bamber would not walk Sheila past June so we have a problem.

I believe he led or carried Sheila into the main bedroom. The lights were off & Sheila was too weak & drowsy to know what was happening. Or stop it happening.

[ILB]

I don't believe he led Sheila via the twins room. If he did that he might as well shoot her in that room.

Believe the engineering near June and the bible was to imply some religious madness gone wrong

[ILB]

He could have carried Sheila.

She was very light & drowsy. Probably asleep and it was only 10 yards.

Lots of options. All we know is he shot Sheila twice in his chosen location & received no.resistance.

If someone picks you and carries you from bed, Halpierdol, ten pints, full of curry or what you are going to wake and react

That's not to say he couldn't do it.

I would say Jeremy is about 5 11 tops Shelia was 5 7,

[ILB]

Persuasion could work.

But she would be probably frightened to see Bamber at that time. They weren't close and she would wonder " What the fuck is Jeremy doing here"

[Jonathan]

no sorry most women would only be concerned for their children Sheila would never just lie down after seeing what had happened to June.

so we have different views. the jury did not seem to find it difficult to believe

[Adam]

If someone picks you and carries you from bed, Halpierdol, ten pints, full of curry or what you are going to wake and react

That's not to say he couldn't do it.

I would say Jeremy is about 5 11 tops Shelia was 5 7,

The Sea Wolves was on TV today. Gregory Peck carries a knocked out Lovecroft over his shoulder and onto.another ship.

Then again that is Gregory Peck.

[Adam]

If someone picks you and carries you from bed, Halpierdol, ten pints, full of curry or what you are going to wake and react

That's not to say he couldn't do it.

I would say Jeremy is about 5 11 tops Shelia was 5 7,

If she woke & reacted, not much she could do in the few seconds before he shoots her.

[ILB]

If she woke & reacted, not much she could do in the few seconds before he shoots her.

From her bed?

She can scratch his face

She can kick

I'm not arguing he couldn't overpower her but it's not an easy feat as made out.

[ILB]

If anything it would be easier for him if she had awoken during his and Nevill fight.

Assuming she stays upstairs and after finishing Nevill he goes back to her which I believe he did do as I believe she was last to be killed.

If he finds her on her feet he can just take her down and do what he did.

Awaking her from her sleep, persuasion what ever could cause more problems.

[Rob_]

From her bed?

She can scratch his face

She can kick

I'm not arguing he couldn't overpower her but it's not an easy feat as made out.

JB can easily overpower Sheila but if she resits he cannot shoot her as he needs both hands on the rifle.

[lookout]

 This would have helped tremendously if times of death had been given.