Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.

[Adam]

Sectional x rays were carried out which could easily have missed the orthapedic hardware.

Vanezis examined the bodies. His pathology report says they are 3 burn marks.

Concede.

[snow66!]

What do you mean appear again after death?

The actual marks on Nevills back!

[Cambridgecutie]

Vanezis examined the bodies. His pathology report says they are 3 burn marks.

Concede.

At trial he concluded he could not be certain.  Prof Knight for the defence did not have the benefit of seeing the victims but he told the court the marks were not burns and he was absolute about this. 

The xrays were limited to the gunshot wound tracks and identifying bullets/fragments. 

[Adam]

At trial he concluded he could not be certain.  Prof Knight for the defence did not have the benefit of seeing the victims but he told the court the marks were not burns and he was absolute about this. 

The xrays were limited to the gunshot wound tracks and identifying bullets/fragments.

Bamber's 2012 and 2021 CCRC applications are on the basis they are burns. 

Concede.

[Cambridgecutie]

The actual marks on Nevills back!

Think about it...NB had back surgery circa mid 40's following a plane crash during WW2.  Either at the time or some time later he had orthapedic hardware fitted around the top (head) of his spinal column.  When the heart is pumping the hardware is surrounded by blood.  When the heart stops the blood drains away.  Look at NB's found position: spine curved and stretched with blood pooling away, hardware protrudes from within causing the marks.  When NB is moved and lying flat it removes the pressure.  Not rocket science, just common sense. 

[Cambridgecutie]

Bamber's 2012 and 2021 CCRC applications are on the basis they are burns. 

Concede.

I have never believed the marks were burns. 

[Adam]

I have never believed the marks were burns.

Knight, Caroso, Vanezis and nobody else has said they are metal plates.

Concede.

[snow66!]

Think about it...NB had back surgery circa mid 40's following a plane crash during WW2.  Either at the time or some time later he had orthapedic hardware fitted around the top (head) of his spinal column.  When the heart is pumping the hardware is surrounded by blood.  When the heart stops the blood drains away.  Look at NB's found position: spine curved and stretched with blood pooling away, hardware protrudes from within causing the marks.  When NB is moved and lying flat it removes the pressure.  Not rocket science, just common sense.

But all these theories, be it prodding, burning or old remnants from back surgery, just happen to have the same spacing as the Aga knobs, Cutie?

[Adam]

But all these theories, be it prodding, burning or old remnants from back surgery, just happen to have the same spacing as the Aga knobs, Cutie?

If the PSOR says this but it was still refused in July, I'm sure the CT would release that section!

[snow66!]

If the PSOR says this but it was still refused in July, I'm sure the CT would release that section!

Not quite sure what you mean there, Adam? I think the Aga evidence was simply rejected along with moving Nevills body! Nevertheless, I think the Aga is the shoe that fits the burns to Nevills back!
Talking of the police moving Nevill, it would be very interesting what the PSOR says about that???, then we can really go to town on the Aga evidence as a point on its own, as it were!
So hopefully the CCRC have given 'PROOF' one way or another regarding the police moving Nevill!!
I mean, as far as we know, one of the issues that the CT sent to the CCRC included the moving of Nevills body from the Aga to the chair/scuttle, right? so this means the CCRC will have to make a decision about that claim, doesn't it??

[Adam]

Not quite sure what you mean there, Adam? I think the Aga evidence was simply rejected along with moving Nevills body! Nevertheless, I think the Aga is the shoe that fits the burns to Nevills back!
Talking of the police moving Nevill, it would be very interesting what the PSOR says about that???, then we can really go to town on the Aga evidence as a point on its own, as it were!
So hopefully the CCRC have given 'PROOF' one way or another regarding the police moving Nevill!!
I mean, as far as we know, one of the issues that the CT sent to the CCRC included the moving of Nevills body from the Aga to the chair/scuttle, right? so this means the CCRC will have to make a decision about that claim, doesn't it??

If the aga evidence was rejected it either means -

The burn marks do not match the aga knobs.

The aga door is cold even if the aga is on.

The burn marks match the aga knobs & the police must have moved Nevill pre photos. But that is not sufficient to pass to the COA.

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If it is number 3, that would have been released to the media.

[snow66!]

If the aga evidence was rejected it either means -

The burn marks do not match the aga knobs.

The aga door is cold even if the aga is on.

The burn marks match the aga knobs & the police must have moved Nevill pre photos. But that is not sufficient to pass to the COA.

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If it is number 3, that would have been released to the media.

But we know -
         The burn marks 'do' match the Aga knobs
         The Aga knobs 'were hot' , Boyce's experiment proved this!
         That leaves 3, Adam!
         OR !! of course,  the burns occurred earlier before Nevill was killed!!

[David1819]

But we know -
         The burn marks 'do' match the Aga knobs

No, we don't know that.

[Adam]

But we know -
         The burn marks 'do' match the Aga knobs
         The Aga knobs 'were hot' , Boyce's experiment proved this!
         That leaves 3, Adam!
         OR !! of course,  the burns occurred earlier before Nevill was killed!!

The video with Boyce was suggesting it could be the aga.

So we don't know 1 & 2.

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