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Meets Tora Tompkinson. Too drowsy to get off sofa without help.

Wants parents to finance trip to France. Tora & her family to look after Sheila and the twins as Sheila too drowsy.

Trip to France rejected by Nevill, June, CC & Tora. Sheila too drowsy.

Attends CC's party. Too drowsy to engage with anyone.

Driven to WHF by CC. Too drowsy ro engage with CC or her children.

Seen walking ackwardly and with lipstick on her teeth. Too drowsy to maintain herself.

Conversations about fostering in kitchen. Too drowsy to respond.

Sheila drowsy enough for Jeremy to say to Julie 'tonights the night'.

Given phone by June to speak to PB. Too drowsy to speak for 3 minutes.

Phone taken back by June. PB told June is concerned about Sheila's lack of interest in anything. Due to drowsiness.

June says Sheila has gone to bed. 

Sleeping in the bed furthest from the door, her drowsiness likely to make her oblivious to the goings on a few yards away. 
« Last Edit: November 28, 2025, 12:58:PM by Adam »
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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2025, 10:56:AM »
Done in chronological order. Happy to amend or add.
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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #2 on: November 28, 2025, 10:57:AM »
'Wants parents to finance trip to France'.

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We've all wanted that or something similar!
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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #3 on: November 28, 2025, 07:57:PM »
From Bambers perspective he would have not undertook a massacre with Shelia as the scapegoat if he knew she was out with the fairies.

Relatives saying stuff like " Couldn't make beans on toast " Is neither here or there, she could certainly wrap cigarettes and cannabis joints.

There's a wealth of evidence that Shelia was living somewhat a normal life although chaotic. Despite her hospital stays. She was undertaking manual jobs and dating men and planning holidays.

The biggest Achilles heel for Jeremy Bamber is Shelia being able to overpower Nevill and the beating Nevill took.
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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #4 on: November 28, 2025, 08:18:PM »
From Bambers perspective he would have not undertook a massacre with Shelia as the scapegoat if he knew she was out with the fairies.

Relatives saying stuff like " Couldn't make beans on toast " Is neither here or there, she could certainly wrap cigarettes and cannabis joints.

There's a wealth of evidence that Shelia was living somewhat a normal life although chaotic. Despite her hospital stays. She was undertaking manual jobs and dating men and planning holidays.

The biggest Achilles heel for Jeremy Bamber is Shelia being able to overpower Nevill and the beating Nevill took.

Believe Bamber felt he was in a good position. Pre massacre.

Sheila would put up no resistance. Then it was about persuading the police who didn't know her. He started persuading them straight away.

The relatives became more suspiscious when finding out Sheila had re loaded & fought Nevill. They still needed the luck of getting access to WHF due to Bamber being away.

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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #5 on: November 28, 2025, 08:29:PM »
Believe Bamber felt he was in a good position. Pre massacre.

For me it was a case of riding heavily on her mental health difficulties and being able to present himself as a well spoken plausible concerned relative.

Mental health awareness in the 80s was heavily stigmatised. People had very little understanding of it.  It would have been quite easy to insinute Shelia due to her track history of mental health problems.

However as I said if he knew and he knew others knew of her being a literal vegtable including Colin) he was taking a massive gamble in this regard.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2025, 08:30:PM by ILB »
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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #6 on: November 28, 2025, 08:30:PM »
Be surprised if Sheila woke mid massacre. If the twins had to wake her in the mornings so she could take them to school, doubt the downstairs attack woke her.

But Bamber could deal with either eventuality.
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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #7 on: November 28, 2025, 08:31:PM »
Be surprised if Sheila woke mid massacre. If the twins had to wake her in the mornings so she could take them to school, doubt the downstairs attack woke her.

But Bamber could deal with either eventuality.

For me from Bambers perspective in his mind wouldn't be carrying it out, it's the second phase and getting it put to bed in getting believed. That's the main aim.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2025, 08:34:PM by ILB »
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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #8 on: November 28, 2025, 08:36:PM »
For me what damages Bamber is him insinuating her going " Target shooting with me all the time " And then later admitting he " Had never seen her fire a gun as an adult"

Was it ever established they went shooting together in their adolsence?
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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #9 on: November 28, 2025, 08:44:PM »
He would be hopeing to get lucky & not have the relatives suspect him. If they did suspect him, what could they do?

He needed to keep Julie on board for 3 months. If they then split up she may think it was too late to go to the police. But once the silencer results came back, the police would start interviewing Julie. She would crack quickly. Anyway he kept her on board for less than a month.

As far as on the night inside WHF goes, he will settle for a Sheila that will put up no resistance.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2025, 08:46:PM by Adam »
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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #10 on: November 28, 2025, 09:00:PM »
For me what damages Bamber is him insinuating her going " Target shooting with me all the time " And then later admitting he " Had never seen her fire a gun as an adult"

Was it ever established they went shooting together in their adolsence?
Only to shooting parties. Sheila only once shot from a gun, with David Boutflour holding the rifle alongside.

The target shooting allegation was a lie, and a dangerous one. Similarly with the Porsche conversation. Jeremy gets careless because he's cock-a-hoop he's accomplished his mission. He further becomes off guard when Julie arrives and he chuckled behind closed doors.

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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #11 on: November 28, 2025, 10:09:PM »
He would be hopeing to get lucky & not have the relatives suspect him. If they did suspect him, what could they do?

He needed to keep Julie on board for 3 months. If they then split up she may think it was too late to go to the police. But once the silencer results came back, the police would start interviewing Julie. She would crack quickly. Anyway he kept her on board for less than a month.

As far as on the night inside WHF goes, he will settle for a Sheila that will put up no resistance.

Do you think the plan always was to dump Julie post massacre?

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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #12 on: November 28, 2025, 10:11:PM »
He would be hopeing to get lucky & not have the relatives suspect him. If they did suspect him, what could they do?

Well that turned out well for him.

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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2025, 10:19:PM »
He would be hopeing to get lucky & not have the relatives suspect him. If they did suspect him, what could they do?


Don't know to be honest.

There was a frosty atmosphere between himself and the relarives in particular AE pre massacre,  money disputes etc. Osea problems etc

He himself called them " Fucking vultures"

Within hours of the massacre, AE was disbeliving him reference the foster conversation.

I would have thought he would have closed them off completley to WHF to be honest. He had the descretion to do so.
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Re: Breakdown of Sheila's drowsiness in days/hours leading to massacre.
« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2025, 10:27:PM »
Do you think the plan always was to dump Julie post massacre?
He was going to buy her off, with the promise of managing a wine bar in a fashionable area of London. The tragic irony was June had the money to set her son up in such an establishment whilst she was still alive. However, Nevill was insistent that his son would only inherit his estate should he be performing the farming function at the time of his death. Jeremy hurried the clock on somewhat.

As for Julie, her conscience was pricked. One can't exactly deduce what transpired between them both post-massacre, but it became apparent to her following the weekend spent with Colin and the dinner at Blazer's Restaurant, Blackheath that there was some psychological condition afflicting him. Maybe he could never have held down a job permanently, as evidenced by his comment that perhaps he should join cousin Roly in some far-flung Buddist monastery, at home the excitement of the chase the motivator rather than the sexual act itself. In any event, the break up was inevitable at some point, one feels, and the truth would out, though from which party first will remain moot.
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