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Time breakdown and sources regarding 6.09am.
« on: November 23, 2025, 01:28:PM »
Pre 2.30am. WHF kitchen phone left off hook by Jeremy. SOURCE - Crime scene photos.

3.55am. Police request to BT to open WHF line. SOURCE - Burrell's 1985 WS.

4.00am. BT operator says WHF phone is off the hook. SOURCE. -Jean Rowe's 1985 WS.

5.40am. BT operator does another check. WHF phone still off the hook. SOURCE - Jean Rowe's 1985 WS.

5.56am. Police  ask BT to link phone line to police HQ. SOURCE - Burrell's 1985 WS.

5.56am.. BT link phone line to police HQ. SOURCE ' Jean Rowe's 1985 WS. 

6.09am. PC MIllbank continually monitors phone line. SOURCE - Burrell's 1985 WS.

6.09am onwards. Milbank says he hears a dog barking. He does not speak to anyone. SOURCE - Milbank audio.

6.09am onwards. Milbank says he hears doors opening and chairs moving. SOURCE - Milbank audio.

7.30am. Raid team enter WHF. SOURCE - Raid team 1985 WS's.

7.30am. Milbank is told not to continue monitoring the line as the police are inside WHF. SOURCE - Milbank audio.
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Re: Time breakdown and sources regarding 6.09am.
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2025, 01:43:PM »
This is a first draft. So likely to be amended.

Supporters will have to go some to convince the CCRC Sheila phoned 999 at 6.09am & didn't say anything to Milbank.. But as with Nevill calling Chelmsford Police I'm sure they will still be trying 15 years later.
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Re: Time breakdown and sources regarding 6.09am.
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2025, 06:11:PM »
The best chance supporters have is when the Milbank audio has him saying he heard doors opening & chairs moving.
The problem here is he says straight afterwards the police were inside and telling him such.

Milbank also says his memory of it all is poor. He is now deceased and did not suggest he received a 999 call from Sheila between 1985 - 2024.

You can see why The New Yorker did not send the audio to the CCRC. As it would not negate the WS's of JR, Burrell & the raid team.

The CCRC may also have Milbank's 1985 WS. When his memory was better. This would align with the other WS's.
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Re: Time breakdown and sources regarding 6.09am.
« Reply #3 on: November 23, 2025, 07:54:PM »
The best chance supporters have is when the Milbank audio has him saying he heard doors opening & chairs moving.
The problem here is he says straight afterwards the police were inside and telling him such.

Milbank also says his memory of it all is poor. He is now deceased and did not suggest he received a 999 call from Sheila between 1985 - 2024.

You can see why The New Yorker did not send the audio to the CCRC. As it would not negate the WS's of JR, Burrell & the raid team.

The CCRC may also have Milbank's 1985 WS. When his memory was better. This would align with the other WS's.
Good luck to anyone that can prove Burrell lied and Jean Rowe lied and was part of a cover up, also there would have to be a massive cover up that kept the raid team and PS Adam’s from getting to know about any 999 call from within WHF, it would mean armed offices being sent into WHF with missing key details and without critical information putting officers life’s at risk. 

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Re: Time breakdown and sources regarding 6.09am.
« Reply #4 on: November 23, 2025, 08:04:PM »
Pre 2.30am. WHF kitchen phone left off hook by Jeremy. SOURCE - Crime scene photos.

3.55am. Police request to BT to open WHF line. SOURCE - Burrell's 1985 WS.

4.00am. BT operator says WHF phone is off the hook. SOURCE. -Jean Rowe's 1985 WS.

5.40am. BT operator does another check. WHF phone still off the hook. SOURCE - Jean Rowe's 1985 WS.

5.56am. Police  ask BT to link phone line to police HQ. SOURCE - Burrell's 1985 WS.

5.56am.. BT link phone line to police HQ. SOURCE ' Jean Rowe's 1985 WS. 

6.09am. PC MIllbank continually monitors phone line. SOURCE - Burrell's 1985 WS.

6.09am onwards. Milbank says he hears a dog barking. He does not speak to anyone. SOURCE - Milbank audio.

6.09am onwards. Milbank says he hears doors opening and chairs moving. SOURCE - Milbank audio.

7.30am. Raid team enter WHF. SOURCE - Raid team 1985 WS's.

7.30am. Milbank is told not to continue monitoring the line as the police are inside WHF. SOURCE - Milbank audio.
Didn't Milbank also claim to hear voices? I'm surprised the Jeremy supporters haven't brought up the cushion covers placed on the floor steeped in blood. Maybe Sheila moved a chair out of the way to accommodate them.

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Re: Time breakdown and sources regarding 6.09am.
« Reply #5 on: November 23, 2025, 08:19:PM »
He does say - 'As far as I can remember, there was, yes, a movement or voices in the background. I’m, not sure I actually spoke to anybody'.

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He's not sure he actually spoke to anyone? A big thing to not be sure about.

Voices. Sounds like the raid team communicating with each other 
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Re: Time breakdown and sources regarding 6.09am.
« Reply #6 on: November 23, 2025, 10:36:PM »
He does say - 'As far as I can remember, there was, yes, a movement or voices in the background. I’m, not sure I actually spoke to anybody'.

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He's not sure he actually spoke to anyone? A big thing to not be sure about.

Voices. Sounds like the raid team communicating with each other
Yes, if Sheila made a call she would have first replaced the phone to the cradle and then dialed 999. Would this be answered by Jean Rowe who would automatically know it was from inside WHF? And would she take action without Sheila even speaking, ie,. would she automatically put the call through to the police and phone for an ambulance too knowing that someone was alive? If so, there doesn't seem to be any documented evidence of this.
Maybe Sheila did ask for the police and/or an ambulance? But if so why didn't Jean Rowe forward this to the police or put it in her statement?
Was Jean Rowe the only operator on duty in the district? Or at that exchange?
Was it possible that Sheila got through to another operator who put the call through to Milbank? An operator who had no knowledge of what was happening at WHF and was never asked for a statement?
Anyway, wasn't there two ambulances requested by the police? And was this before or after 6.09?
If Sheila did make a call at 6.09 the fact remains that she didn't replace the receiver and left the phone off the hook yet again, which does seem odd!
Anyway, Milbank simply saying that he received a 999 call from inside WHF isn't quite enough to convince supporters let alone the CCRC that Sheila made the 6.09 call.
In the meantime we have more questions than answers.

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Re: Time breakdown and sources regarding 6.09am.
« Reply #7 on: November 24, 2025, 06:44:AM »
West & Bonnett worded there logs differently. Which is not a surprise. They are different people getting information from different people. Bamber claimed in 2010 the different logs showed Nevill called Chelmsford Police! With publicity success but failure at the CCRC.

The same thing is being done with Millbank monitoring the open line from 6.09am. With the same succes/failure ratio.
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Re: Time breakdown and sources regarding 6.09am.
« Reply #8 on: November 24, 2025, 01:23:PM »
 2 ambulances required, one for immediate, one for stand by.
 Two ambulances arranged.   0.625

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Re: Time breakdown and sources regarding 6.09am.
« Reply #9 on: November 24, 2025, 01:30:PM »
2 ambulances required, one for immediate, one for stand by.
 Two ambulances arranged.   0.625
Standard Practice to request Ambulances in what could be a murder case or shooting, what if they went in and one of the victims was still breathing but unable to move?

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Re: Time breakdown and sources regarding 6.09am.
« Reply #10 on: November 24, 2025, 01:40:PM »
Standard Practice to request Ambulances in what could be a murder case or shooting, what if they went in and one of the victims was still breathing but unable to move?
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Re: Time breakdown and sources regarding 6.09am.
« Reply #11 on: November 24, 2025, 02:19:PM »
Standard Practice to request Ambulances in what could be a murder case or shooting, what if they went in and one of the victims was still breathing but unable to move?

I suppose it is a coincidence that they were only ordered after the telephone link had been set up and not any earlier. Looks like 11 minutes later.

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Re: Time breakdown and sources regarding 6.09am.
« Reply #12 on: November 24, 2025, 04:26:PM »
Two ambulances would be needed for a possible 5 people.
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Re: Time breakdown and sources regarding 6.09am.
« Reply #13 on: November 24, 2025, 04:51:PM »
With Milbank it seems to be a combination of -

Can't remember.

Taken by surprise by a phone call from Heidi.

On a wind up. Looking for 2 minutes of fame.

Being vague.

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The Doc Maker, Phillip & most supporters will support that Sheila dialled 999 & got through to Milbank. Then didn't say anything.

Ignoring the police who the raid team said were outside with a loud speaker for 2 hours would be put down to Sheila being unwell.

Impressed that Heidi managed to get Milbank's phone number.
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Re: Time breakdown and sources regarding 6.09am.
« Reply #14 on: November 24, 2025, 05:19:PM »
With Milbank it seems to be a combination of -

Can't remember.

Taken by surprise by a phone call from Heidi.

On a wind up. Looking for 2 minutes of fame.

Being vague.

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The Doc Maker, Phillip & most supporters will support that Sheila dialled 999 & got through to Milbank. Then didn't say anything.

Ignoring the police who the raid team said were outside with a loud speaker for 2 hours would be put down to Sheila being unwell.

Impressed that Heidi managed to get Milbank's phone number.
Yes, we have to admit that 'vague' sums up the Milbank evidence perfectly, Adam!