Full defence Sheila scenario.

[Adam]

Sheila goes downstairs. She puts silencer on rifle. Then fills up seperate magazine with 8 bullets.

Sheila goes upstairs with rifle and seperate magazine. She shoots June and Nevill until rifle is empty/9 times at close range while they are in/by there beds.

She goes into the twins room to load the other magazine and shoot them.

Nevill is still alive and goes downstairs to start phoning Jeremy while Sheila is in the twins room. 

Sheila shoots the twins 8 times while they sleep. Then goes downstairs to re load.

As Sheila arrives at the kitchen Jeremy answers the phone. Nevill is able to say 11 words.

Sheila is too strong for Nevill and knocks him out with dozens of huge blows with the rifle.

Sheila re loads another 8 bullets.

She lifts Nevill onto the coal scuttle/chair.

Nevill is shot 4 times in the head.

A metal object is burnt on an aga plate for 5 minutes. Nevill's back is burned 

Sheila returns upstairs and shoots June 2 times.

Sheila shoots herself once. She then goes downstairs to put the silencer away.

Sheila returns upstairs and shoots herself again.

[Adam]

An advantage of this is Sheila could have completed everything by the time the police arrived. She had already fired 17 shots upstairs by the time Nevill spoke to Jeremy.

There are several problems. But the defence can't invent a long build up where a fully fit Nevill and June cannot stop an escalation.

[ILB]

Dont know where we are going on this but happy to discuss on the forum

What I mean by that the defence never had a scenario.

Evidently though if SC committed these offences you have to put in a build up.

[Adam]

This is similar to what the defence would create. In my view. Either in private or for the trial.

As it matches the crime scene. There were no claims of the police moving things pre crime scene photos then. Or of the silencer not being used.

A possibility Sheila went downstairs to re load after shooting June & Nevill. Once she had returned upstairs into the twins room, Nevill went downstairs to start phoning Jeremy. This would have given Jeremy less time to answer.

[Adam]

Dont know where we are going on this but happy to discuss on the forum

What I mean by that the defence never had a scenario.

Evidently though if SC committed these offences you have to put in a build up.

The defence build up would be Sheila went downstairs & inserted the silencer on the rifle. Then went upstairs with the rifle while everyone slept.

This matches the crime scene evidence of the rifle being used upstairs & Sheila managing 9 close range shots at Nevill/June in multiple locations, without resistance.

[ILB]

The defence build up would be Sheila went downstairs & inserted the silencer on the rifle. Then went upstairs with the rifle while everyone slept.

This matches the crime scene evidence of the rifle being used upstairs & Sheila managing 9 close range shots at Nevill/June in multiple locations, without resistance.

I was talking more in terms of the build up in Shelia Caffells mental state.

With Bamber, its easy, money orientated hatred.

Something must have upset shelia. Putting it lightly.

[Adam]

I was talking more in terms of the build up in Shelia Caffells mental state.

With Bamber, its easy, money orientated hatred.

Something must have upset shelia. Putting it lightly.

Think the defence did do that. Did Freddie testify?

The build up is something Nevill, June & CC missed as it was agreed for Sheila & the twins to stay at WHF.

[Steve_uk]

Think the defence did do that. Did Freddie testify?

The build up is something Nevill, June & CC missed as it was agreed for Sheila & the twins to stay at WHF.

I don't think any of Sheila's London crowd testified.

[ILB]

Think the defence did do that. Did Freddie testify?

The build up is something Nevill, June & CC missed as it was agreed for Sheila & the twins to stay at WHF.

I dont believe he did though cant be certain.

It would be more of something brewing under the surface.

[Adam]

I don't think any of Sheila's London crowd testified.

The defence may have said it was the aledged fostering conversation then. Although the judge dismissed that possibility.

[Adam]

I dont believe he did though cant be certain.

It would be more of something brewing under the surface.

It was certainly under the surface. Rifles left out & Sheila allowed to walk around WHF while everyone slept.

[Adam]

The rifle may not have been left out. Although that was what Bamber was suggesting to the police.

Quite possible Nevill or June put the rifle away. Although after the carnage inside WHF, just as possible Sheila could go into the gun cupboard and take out a rifle.

[Steve_uk]

The defence may have said it was the aledged fostering conversation then. Although the judge dismissed that possibility.

I'm not sure the defence explicitly traduced Sheila.  Though Dr. Hugh Cameron Ferguson was called he was quite measured, not sufficiently damning of her to cast serious doubt she was the perpetrator.

[ILB]

The defence may have said it was the aledged fostering conversation then. Although the judge dismissed that possibility.

Believe Bamber would have made out Shelia was raging at the supper table about that if he wanted to use it to his advantage.

[Adam]

Believe Bamber would have made out Shelia was raging at the supper table about that if he wanted to use it to his advantage.

The problem with that is the twins were already living with CC & his partner. So she was already not seeing the twins much. CC would make any decisions on the twins

Bamber is the only person who witnessed the conversation. The judge said Sheila's non response means it cannot be considered a motivation.

The jury being asked to believe Sheila killed her family for no reason would have given Rivlin sleepless nights.