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Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:
« on: October 27, 2025, 05:28:AM »
He would find it incredible that Sheila decided to shoot her mother, father & 2 sons while they slept. Because of an aledged fostering conversation hours earlier.

He would not believe Nevill would start phoning his clients AM after being shot 4 times.

He would not believe Sheila would totally overpower a man who had managed to get downstairs & phone his client. 

He knew Sheila could not lift Nevill onto the coal scuttle.

He knew Sheila could not shoot herself with the silencer attached.

He knew Sheila could not put the silencer away after her first shot.

He would not believe Julie would compile a 23 page WS & testify just because they had split up. 

He knew of the hatred and resentment his client had towards his family. And of the caravan break in.

He knew of Sheila's physical and mental limitations and lack of knowledge with weapons.

He knew there was no evidence on Sheila that she had committed the massacre.

He knew it was possible to cycle to/from WHF & a bike had arrived at his clients house 2 days earlier.

He knew it was possible to get in and out of the WHF windows and there was evidence he had done so. 

He knew Sheila's parents and CC did not believe her capable of such a crime. As she was staying at WHF.
« Last Edit: October 27, 2025, 05:39:AM by Adam »
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Re: Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:
« Reply #1 on: October 27, 2025, 05:34:AM »
I personally believe he didnt believe him, he felt him guilty but its not his job to have an opinion. He just presents his clients case.

Jeremy from the get go was adamant he was innocent ( which he still portrays to this day)
« Last Edit: October 27, 2025, 05:36:AM by ILB »
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Re: Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:
« Reply #2 on: October 27, 2025, 05:35:AM »
Paul Terzeon the solicitor while not professing a view recollects a good pre trial working relationship with Jeremy.
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Re: Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:
« Reply #3 on: October 27, 2025, 05:37:AM »
Rivlin was chiefly a prosecutor.
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Re: Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:
« Reply #4 on: October 27, 2025, 05:38:AM »
He would find it incredible that Sheila decided to shoot her mother, father & 2 sons while they slept. Because of an aledged fostering conversation hours earlier.

He would not believe Nevill would start phoning his clients AM after being shot 4 times.

He would not believe Sheila would totally overpower a man who had managed to get downstairs & phone his client. 

He knew Sheila could not lift Nevill onto the coal scuttle.

He knew Sheila could not shoot herself with the silencer attached.

He knew Sheila could not put the silencer away after her first shot.

He would not believe Julie would compile a 23 page WS & testify just because they had split up. 

He knew of the hatred and resentment his client had towards his family. And of the caravan break in.

He knew of Sheila's physical and mental limitations and lack of knowledge with weapons.

He knew there was no evidence on Sheila that she had committed the massacre.

He knew it was possible to cycle to/from WHF & a bike had arrived at his clients house 2 days earlier.

He knew it was possible to get in and out of the WHF windows and there was evidence he had done so.

He's not emotionally involved or at least hes not supposed to be.
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Re: Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:
« Reply #5 on: October 27, 2025, 05:43:AM »
I doubt Rivlin would have put Jeremy in the witness box had he not believed him.

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Re: Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:
« Reply #6 on: October 27, 2025, 05:44:AM »
So several major reasons why Rivlin would not believe his client.

But that is the case with all clients the defence represent. A person is not arrested, charged and put through the CPS for no reason.

It is up to the defence lawyer to create reasonable doubt. If the case goes to trial.
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Re: Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:
« Reply #7 on: October 27, 2025, 05:44:AM »
Dont believe the fostering conversation was heavily weighed on as the reason " shelia lost it "

If it was Bamber would have not suggested " she remained pretty vacant " he would have claimed it riled  her or she expressed herself angrily about it"
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Re: Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:
« Reply #8 on: October 27, 2025, 05:48:AM »
I doubt Rivlin would have put Jeremy in the witness box had he not believed him.

An adverse inference would have been taken. It would have looked shady if Jeremy didnt take the stand. Like he had something to hide, even though it was his right. For me it was a good idea he did take the stand. He didnt actually fare that bad and came off relatively unscathed.
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Re: Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:
« Reply #9 on: October 27, 2025, 05:50:AM »
EP & the CPS would be confident in either getting an admittance of guilt & no trial. Or a guilty verdict if it went to trial.

There was no benefit to Bamber in admitting guilt for a lesser sentence. As the crime was so bad.

So EP & the CPS had to be confident in securing a guilty verdict at trial.
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Re: Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:
« Reply #10 on: October 27, 2025, 05:57:AM »
EP & the CPS would be confident in either getting an admittance of guilt & no trial. Or a guilty verdict if it went to trial.

There was no benefit to Bamber in admitting guilt for a lesser sentence. As the crime was so bad.

So EP & the CPS had to be confident in securing a guilty verdict at trial.

The prosecution wouldnt have been brought if they didnt feel it was the case.

Seems Jeremy was confident in getting an aquittal.
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Re: Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:
« Reply #11 on: October 27, 2025, 05:58:AM »
If the crime was less serious, Rivlin would have recommend his client admits guilt as there was so much evidence against him.

To not waste court time and money & to get a lesser sentence.

But he could not do that with this case. The crime was so serious and his client was determined to dig in.
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Re: Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:
« Reply #12 on: October 27, 2025, 06:00:AM »
If the crime was less serious cases, Rivlin would have recommend his client admits guilt as there was so much evidence against him.

To not waste court time and money & to get a lesser sentence.

But he could not do that with this case. The crime was so serious and his client was determined to dig in.

Most defendants on a M charge are going to run trial.

Even with a gulity plea you are still get mandatory life.
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Re: Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:
« Reply #13 on: October 27, 2025, 06:02:AM »
A benefit of Bamber not admitting guilt, is he has been able to spend the next 40 years pleading innocence.

Both in the media, to his supporters and to the justice system.

A successful Sion Jenkins esq appeal after 10 years & he would still be a young man.

Doubtful he was looking that far ahead. He just wanted a 'not guilty' at trial.
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Re: Problems Rivlin would have had in believing his client:
« Reply #14 on: October 27, 2025, 06:08:AM »
Dont believe the fostering conversation was heavily weighed on as the reason " shelia lost it "

If it was Bamber would have not suggested " she remained pretty vacant " he would have claimed it riled  her or she expressed herself angrily about it"

Sheila murdering her family for no reason would not be believed by Rivlin.

Her parents & CC were comfortable with Sheila & the twins staying at WHF 
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