Fight between Sheila and June

[BarefootDanC]

Does anyone in this group believe there was a fight between Sheila and June?

I have heard it be claimed that Sheila had defensive injuries, Vanezis lying saying that she didn't. and these were scratches from a fight with June.

[Adam]

June was shot 5 times in bed. After that she would not be able to fight anyone.

[snow66!]

Does anyone in this group believe there was a fight between Sheila and June?

I have heard it be claimed that Sheila had defensive injuries, Vanezis lying saying that she didn't. and these were scratches from a fight with June.

It actually makes good sense that there was a struggle between June and Sheila, Dan!
If not, why did June end up lying beside the bedroom door?
Let me explain! We know from the blood loss from June that she got out of bed and went round to Nevills side before ending up lying beside the main bedroom door.
Now the police claim that JB chased after Nevill, leaving June badly wounded in the bedroom, before re-loading and finishing June off with two bullets to the head. But if this is so, June should have ended up falling into the bedroom with her feet beside the door, not her head. Surely the position in which June was found indicates strongly that June was shot by someone from 'within' the bedroom who must have been standing at the foot of the bed and not someone who had come upstairs and was standing outside the bedroom door? Or are we to accept that JB slipped into the bedroom and forced June towards the door for some reason before he shot her?
What logic would there be in this action? And why would JB want to trample all over Junes blood and risk leaving a footprint?
Wouldn't it have been far more sensible to stay on the landing and shoot into the bedroom?
Doesn't it make more sense that Sheila had a full magazine of bullets when she attacked June in bed, and that either the gun jammed after five shots allowing her to get out of bed and make a grab for the rifle or maybe June just managed to push it aside and make a grab at Sheila before struggling around the bed and back, before being pushed to the floor and shot?
June certainly ended up in a position by the bedroom door to support such a scenario, and Vanezis pointed out that June had been standing at some stage after being shot in bed due to the blood running down her legs and night dress. So she certainly didn't crawl round the room.
Now you could claim that JB entered the bedroom via the kids bedroom and box room, but again, why would he do this to get to June in order to finish her off? Again, makes no sense!
No, I say again, Dan, Just think about where June was found and her position and explain how she ended up there in a JB scenario??

[Roch]

Does anyone in this group believe there was a fight between Sheila and June?

I have heard it be claimed that Sheila had defensive injuries, Vanezis lying saying that she didn't. and these were scratches from a fight with June.

It's because June has wounds also. Notably her chin and throat.

[Rob_]

Does anyone in this group believe there was a fight between Sheila and June?

I have heard it be claimed that Sheila had defensive injuries, Vanezis lying saying that she didn't. and these were scratches from a fight with June.

I have always believed Sheila and June had a scuffle, I would not say a fight as such as June would be rapidly getting weaker from her wounds.

But we know she made it round to Nevil's side of the bed before finishing up beside the bedroom door.

[snow66!]

I have always believed Sheila and June had a scuffle, I would not say a fight as such as June would be rapidly getting weaker from her wounds.

But we know she made it round to Nevil's side of the bed before finishing up beside the bedroom door.

Yes, some claim that June went round to Nevills side of the bed because the phone was normally there ,Rob, and thats fair enough, but the thing is, why did she end up lying on her back beside the bedroom door as if she had been reversing back around the bed when she discovered the phone was not there?
Surely June would have turned around once she had seen that the phone wasn't there and walked back round 'facing' the main bedroom door where she would encounter a returning JB who would shoot her in the forehead and cause her to fall back into the room with her feet nearest the door, 'not' her head? 
Yet if guilty, it looks as if JB returned to the bedroom after re-loading and went over to Nevills side of the bed  [passing by June?] who was either reversing or had turned to face JB before being shot in the forehead.
It just doesn't make a lot of sense for JB to enter the bedroom again once he re-loaded to shoot June, does it? Surely he would have returned and shot 'into' the room?
No, it makes far more sense the killer entering the bedroom, shooting June, June then getting out of bed and struggling with the killer around the bed and back before being knocked to the floor beside the door and shot. Plain and simple, one coherent event which the crime scene suggests! The police scenario simply doesn't stack up, not in relation to where June was found.

[Bill Robertson]

Does anyone in this group believe there was a fight between Sheila and June?

I have heard it be claimed that Sheila had defensive injuries, Vanezis lying saying that she didn't. and these were scratches from a fight with June.

The evidence is all here:
https://empowerinnocent.wixsite.com/ccrcwatch/post/exploring-the-white-house-farm-murders-and-additional-injuries-to-the-adult-victims-not-disclosed-at

[Rob_]

Yes, some claim that June went round to Nevills side of the bed because the phone was normally there ,Rob, and thats fair enough, but the thing is, why did she end up lying on her back beside the bedroom door as if she had been reversing back around the bed when she discovered the phone was not there?
Surely June would have turned around once she had seen that the phone wasn't there and walked back round 'facing' the main bedroom door where she would encounter a returning JB who would shoot her in the forehead and cause her to fall back into the room with her feet nearest the door, 'not' her head? 
Yet if guilty, it looks as if JB returned to the bedroom after re-loading and went over to Nevills side of the bed  [passing by June?] who was either reversing or had turned to face JB before being shot in the forehead.
It just doesn't make a lot of sense for JB to enter the bedroom again once he re-loaded to shoot June, does it? Surely he would have returned and shot 'into' the room?
No, it makes far more sense the killer entering the bedroom, shooting June, June then getting out of bed and struggling with the killer around the bed and back before being knocked to the floor beside the door and shot. Plain and simple, one coherent event which the crime scene suggests! The police scenario simply doesn't stack up, not in relation to where June was found.

I agree Snow, I don't think June was trying to get to the missing phone, a quick glance would show that it was not their which she probably knew anyway.

[snow66!]

I agree Snow, I don't think June was trying to get to the missing phone, a quick glance would show that it was not their which she probably knew anyway.

My thoughts exactly, Rob!

[Adam]

June may have got to the bedroom phone. But Bamber had disabled it from downstairs.

He then put the phone in the kitchen and took it off it's hook.

[Rob_]

June may have got to the bedroom phone. But Bamber had disabled it from downstairs.

He then put the phone in the kitchen and took it off it's hook.

If there was a phone in the bedroom Nevil would have tried to use it, so June would have known it had been disabled and would not have attempted trying to get round to Nevil's side of the bed.

[Adam]

If there was a phone in the bedroom Nevil would have tried to use it, so June would have known it had been disabled and would not have attempted trying to get round to Nevil's side of the bed.

Nevill wouldn't try to use the upstairs phone. Bamber was shooting at him!

[snow66!]

Nevill wouldn't try to use the upstairs phone. Bamber was shooting at him!

Where do you think Bamber was standing when he shot June in the head, Adam?

[BarefootDanC]

The evidence is all here:
https://empowerinnocent.wixsite.com/ccrcwatch/post/exploring-the-white-house-farm-murders-and-additional-injuries-to-the-adult-victims-not-disclosed-at

Bill, do you think Vanezis lied on oath?

Surely that would be a very foolish approach by the prosecution because they could easliy have been found out.

[Steve_uk]

Where do you think Bamber was standing when he shot June in the head, Adam?

I thought he finished his mother off with one shot between the eyes whilst she was in the doorway.