"Trick of the Light"

[Hardy Boy]

Read my posts. His first call to JM was at 03.15 after NB had phoned. He was looking for some advice nothing more nothing less. He was worried and wanted to do the right thing. If you study my posts you will see that EP moved this call back to create a larger window in which he could have made both calls.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12280.msg567886.html#msg567886

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11920.msg548873.html#msg548873

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11919.msg547980.html#msg547980

This also meant that he could have cycled back from WHF. Since the window was 26 or 36 minutes dependant on when he called West. He did not call JM at 03.00 and 03.30. These calls were all manipulated by EP.

Nope, your wrong again, he cannot remember his reason for ringing Julie, so it’s just your opinion. So why did he say he called JM at 3.25am


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[Adam]

Believe he said 'No Comment' when asked why he rang Julie.

He could have given a couple of reason but was in 'No Comment' mode by now.

He testified it was 'to hear a friendly voice'.

[Bubo bubo]

Nope, your wrong again, he cannot remember his reason for ringing Julie, so it’s just your opinion. So why did he say he called JM at 3.25am


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Your obfuscating. I asked you to explain the false timeline. I agree he may have got the time wrong. It is clear he was confused about the sequence of the calls. He did call JM before the police. I have no problem with that. If you take the time to read more of my posts you will see that even JM was unsure and went to some lengths to get the correct time. HE said it was 03.15. The police have manipulated the calls and constructed a false timeline. Please explain. JM told him to go back to bed. How and why would she say that when it was agreed at court that his call was 03.26 and he spent time on his call with West. If his call to West was at 03.26n how did he manage to call JM at 03.30.

Answer the question I posed

[Hardy Boy]

Believe he said 'No Comment' when asked why he rang Julie.

He could have given a couple of reason but was in 'No Comment' mode by now.

He testified it was 'to hear a friendly voice'.

Nope, he answered it with he couldn’t remember his reason for phoning Julie.

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So he rang Julie before ringing the Police, but couldn’t remember why he rang her at 3.00am in the morning.  Julie remembers and it’s obvious she’s in with it, he tells her everything is going well ECT.

[Hardy Boy]

Your obfuscating. I asked you to explain the false timeline. I agree he may have got the time wrong. It is clear he was confused about the sequence of the calls. He did call JM before the police. I have no problem with that. If you take the time to read more of my posts you will see that even JM was unsure and went to some lengths to get the correct time. HE said it was 03.15. The police have manipulated the calls and constructed a false timeline. Please explain. JM told him to go back to bed. How and why would she say that when it was agreed at court that his call was 03.26 and he spent time on his call with West. If his call to West was at 03.26n how did he manage to call JM at 03.30.

Answer the question I posed

There is no one can put an exact timeline on the events that morning. 

[Bubo bubo]

There is no one can put an exact timeline on the events that morning.

You still have not answered my question about the false timeline. Are you contending that the police timings are all over the place as well. In which case the whole of their case could be wrong if they could not time events accurately

[Bubo bubo]

Nope, he answered it with he couldn’t remember his reason for phoning Julie.

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So he rang Julie before ringing the Police, but couldn’t remember why he rang her at 3.00am in the morning.  Julie remembers and it’s obvious she’s in with it, he tells her everything is going well ECT.

We only have her word that he said all is going well. Presumably JB had been in contact with MM for an update on proceedings. Which turned out to be totally false

[Hardy Boy]

You still have not answered my question about the false timeline. Are you contending that the police timings are all over the place as well. In which case the whole of their case could be wrong if they could not time events accurately

Ive told you before, no one can give an exact timeline, the calls all happened probably within a space of 45mins, if the flatmates can’t agree on a time, Julie can’t agree, Bamber hasn’t got a clue, the Police were all over the place with their times, you know full well the call log between West and Bonnet was questioned.  Your False timeline could be and most probably is False anyway.

[Bubo bubo]

Ive told you before, no one can give an exact timeline, the calls all happened probably within a space of 45mins, if the flatmates can’t agree on a time, Julie can’t agree, Bamber hasn’t got a clue, the Police were all over the place with their times, you know full well the call log between West and Bonnet was questioned.  Your False timeline could be and most probably is False anyway.

So you are saying that the police sent a deliberately false timeline and were questioned about it by another force. City of London Police (COLP) using timings that are nothing like the original timings, each being exactly 10 minutes different to the times used at trial. I did not think you were that gullible. They all say they left at 3.45 whereas Bonnetts log says they were sent at 03.35. How did they manage to get to the scene at 03.48. I did not know they had a Tardis I thought it was a ford Sierra

All this manipulation was done for two reasons.  1 To hide NB's call. 2 To create time for JB to have made both calls.

You are saying that they all made the same ten minute mistake in their pocket books. I find your protestations laughable. Is Donald Trump a relative.

[Bubo bubo]

Ive told you before, no one can give an exact timeline, the calls all happened probably within a space of 45mins, if the flatmates can’t agree on a time, Julie can’t agree, Bamber hasn’t got a clue, the Police were all over the place with their times, you know full well the call log between West and Bonnet was questioned.  Your False timeline could be and most probably is False anyway.

I give the reasons why the flatmates could not agree a time here.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11920.msg548873.html#msg548873

Read it all

[Hardy Boy]

So you are saying that the police sent a deliberately false timeline and were questioned about it by another force. City of London Police (COLP) using timings that are nothing like the original timings, each being exactly 10 minutes different to the times used at trial. I did not think you were that gullible. They all say they left at 3.45 whereas Bonnetts log says they were sent at 03.35. How did they manage to get to the scene at 03.48. I did not know they had a Tardis I thought it was a ford Sierra

All this manipulation was done for two reasons.  1 To hide NB's call. 2 To create time for JB to have made both calls.

You are saying that they all made the same ten minute mistake in their pocket books. I find your protestations laughable. Is Donald Trump a relative.

I think you are really thick, I’m saying no one can put an exact timeline on the events that morning, the Police, Bamber Julie or the flatmates,  all the times given are about, even Bews, he gives his time about 3.45 Myall does the same in his pocket book about 3.45 and in Court evidence it was given about 3.45,  Saxilby gives it about 3.35am  it was an estimate of the Time.  Is Saxilby right and the others wrong?   It shows they didn’t conflab about times. Is that lying to estimate the time?  I would expect the Police to be more professional, but we all know what a shambles this lot were anyway.


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[Hardy Boy]

I give the reasons why the flatmates could not agree a time here.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,11920.msg548873.html#msg548873

Read it all

Ha Ha, who wants to read your diarrhoea.

[snow66!]

It is absolutely absurd to think that JB would phone Julie's flat at 3.00 and then tell the police that his dad phoned him about 3.10.
That would be game over for Bamber right away.
This has been discussed before.

[Adam]

It is absolutely absurd to think that JB would phone Julie's flat at 3.00 and then tell the police that his dad phoned him about 3.10.
That would be game over for Bamber right away.
This has been discussed before.

Don't believe it would be game over. He would just say I must have got the time wrong as half asleep.

He may have known or believed phone times could not be tracked. Together with believing he won't be a suspect.

[Bubo bubo]

It is absolutely absurd to think that JB would phone Julie's flat at 3.00 and then tell the police that his dad phoned him about 3.10.
That would be game over for Bamber right away.
This has been discussed before.

Here is another

Oh we must not forget that CA07was a Tardis. According to Bonnett they left at 03.35 yet manged to receive a call from West at Witham at 03.37

According to West he was still talking to JB at this time.

Then there is this.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,10667.msg492976.html#msg492976

JB made an appeal to the IOPC claiming statement tampering. This complaint was upheld.