Article about recent decision

[snow66!]

Why would it be on, at all, during summer months, when they had alternative means of heating water and cooking?

If the Aga wasn't on, then how could the killer heat an object up to burn Nevills back at all then, Jane?

[Jane]

If the Aga wasn't on, then how could the killer heat an object up to burn Nevills back at all then, Jane?

There's no evidence that the marks are A) burns, B) happened that night. However, I guess after all that use, the rifle would have been smoking.

[BarefootDanC]

It goes like this:

(1) Nevill was over the stool
(2) The police opened the door (or perhaps rammed it down, I am not sure).
(3) This knocked Nevill from the stool onto the Aga, doing a roly poly.
(4) The police realised they had done this, somehow knowing that he was over the stool (1), so they moved him back

The end result was that Nevill was in the same position as at the start, or roughly the same position, and got burned on the Aga when the police pushed him onto it (2).

Somehow, this is a valid ground for appeal 

Someone has sent me this:

[Rob_]

If someone had seen Jill Dando’s killer leave her house he’s done for,  there’s lots of killers who have killed and not seen.   No one spots a lot of killers especially in the early hours of the morning, how many people would be on the sea wall at that time in the morning?  In fairness There was always a risk for Bamber, and it didn’t matter if he drove, walked or cycled, minimising the risk is all he can do.

With no CCTV in the eighties like there is today, it was easier to move about.  Thieves prowled the streets at night for that reason.  To get a description of the bike, you’d have to be next to it in the night, Bamber would see this person and could easily abort his plan.

So you are saying if someone spotted a cyclist on the sea wall at 3.00ish in the morning that night it would mean nothing?

[BarefootDanC]

There's no evidence that the marks are A) burns, B) happened that night. However, I guess after all that use, the rifle would have been smoking.

That depends on who you ask! According to Chris Roberts, after 25 shots, the rifle would have reached 200 degrees C

But according to Mark Webster at the 2002 appeal hearing and Philip Boyce in the 2011 CCRC submission, the gun wouldn't have heated enough after 25 shots!

One thing we don't know if how long quickly the shots were fired. After shooting June and Nevill upstairs, Jeremy went downstairs to reload the gun and there was a struggle in the kitchen. Who knows how long the struggle lasted for.

[Curiosity]

Someone has sent me this:

Emma M

[Adam]

So you are saying if someone spotted a cyclist on the sea wall at 3.00ish in the morning that night it would mean nothing?

Who would spot a cyclist?

[Jane]

That depends on who you ask! According to Chris Roberts, after 25 shots, the rifle would have reached 200 degrees C

But according to Mark Webster at the 2002 appeal hearing and Philip Boyce in the 2011 CCRC submission, the gun wouldn't have heated enough after 25 shots!

One thing we don't know if how long quickly the shots were fired. After shooting June and Nevill upstairs, Jeremy went downstairs to reload the gun and there was a struggle in the kitchen. Who knows how long the struggle lasted for.

That would be the gun 'expert' whose 7 year old niece learned how to load and fire a rifle simply by watching him?

[BarefootDanC]

That depends on who you ask! According to Chris Roberts, after 25 shots, the rifle would have reached 200 degrees C

But according to Mark Webster at the 2002 appeal hearing and Philip Boyce in the 2011 CCRC submission, the gun wouldn't have heated enough after 25 shots!

One thing we don't know if how long quickly the shots were fired. After shooting June and Nevill upstairs, Jeremy went downstairs to reload the gun and there was a struggle in the kitchen. Who knows how long the struggle lasted for.

They might not remember later. If you were travelling or awake at 3am in the morning and were asked some time later if you saw someone on a bike, would you remember a week, a month or several months later?

[Rob_]

There's no evidence that the marks are A) burns, B) happened that night. However, I guess after all that use, the rifle would have been smoking.

But there is some evidence Jane, PV says "three distinct burn marks" in his autopsy.

He saw the marks with his own eyes, not having to rely on photographs.

[Adam]

That depends on who you ask! According to Chris Roberts, after 25 shots, the rifle would have reached 200 degrees C

But according to Mark Webster at the 2002 appeal hearing and Philip Boyce in the 2011 CCRC submission, the gun wouldn't have heated enough after 25 shots!

One thing we don't know if how long quickly the shots were fired. After shooting June and Nevill upstairs, Jeremy went downstairs to reload the gun and there was a struggle in the kitchen. Who knows how long the struggle lasted for.

Heating the rifle on an aga plate would take 5 minutes.

So this is the most likely method.

[Curiosity]

Someone has sent me this:

Emma Morris will include this explanatory video in the next bundle of grounds when the current ten have been binned, shredded and disposed of in Birmingham's landfill -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vichO9cGHo8&ab_channel=Star%27sChannel

[Jane]

But there is some evidence Jane, PV says "three distinct burn marks" in his autopsy.

He saw the marks with his own eyes, not having to rely on photographs.

Such may have been his belief, but I believe it was questioned? Certainly, there doesn't seem to have been a unanimous decision.

[Adam]

Such may have been his belief, but I believe it was questioned? Certainly, there doesn't seem to have been a unanimous decision.

Both sides say they are burns.

CC says they are internal screws. Obviously on a wind up.

[Hardy Boy]

So you are saying if someone spotted a cyclist on the sea wall at 3.00ish in the morning that night it would mean nothing?

No, I’m not saying that at all, I’m saying there was a risk whichever way he chose to go.  I’m saying there was probably less chance at that time in the morning of being seen.  For someone to kill someone away from home, there’s always a risk of being seen, but Killers still choose to take such risk,  they try their best to do it and not be seen.  The Yorkshire ripper killed for nearly 5 years and was only picked up by chance.  Levi Belfield killed for years before he was caught, every killer takes a chance, and it will still happen today.

Where did I say it means nothing if he is spotted?  I said there was a risk, all he can do is minimise that risk.


To get a description of a bike you would have to be close,  especially at night, if a person was that close Bamber would spot him I would think, so he could abort his plan.