Article about recent decision

[snow66!]

What was the heat of the Aga on the night Snow?

I believe Boyce did his experiments with the Aga at full heat, HB. You can hear him saying this on the video.

[Hardy Boy]

If someone was seen cycling the fields / sea wall that night Bamber is done for, you would not need to see his face just a basic description of the bike build of the rider is enough.

If cycling Bamber could not afford to be seen even from half a mile away.

If someone had seen Jill Dando’s killer leave her house he’s done for,  there’s lots of killers who have killed and not seen.   No one spots a lot of killers especially in the early hours of the morning, how many people would be on the sea wall at that time in the morning?  In fairness There was always a risk for Bamber, and it didn’t matter if he drove, walked or cycled, minimising the risk is all he can do.

With no CCTV in the eighties like there is today, it was easier to move about.  Thieves prowled the streets at night for that reason.  To get a description of the bike, you’d have to be next to it in the night, Bamber would see this person and could easily abort his plan.

[Hardy Boy]

I believe Boyce did his experiments with the Aga at full heat, HB. You can hear him saying this on the video.

Thats not the question Snow, what was the heat of the AGA on the night Neville burnt his back? 

[snow66!]

Which ever side we support, there will always be something to discuss. There won't be anything to progress with because JB was found guilty because the probability of him being guilty was higher than that of Sheila being guilty. All supporters have to hang on to is that she had a psychotic episode. If she hadn't been adequately medicated, there would probably be many more supporters, ergo, the likelihood of her having one has to be low to non existent. Add to that the Box and Cox of the phones, and the ball falls much harder into JB's court, than Sheila's.

Oh well, thats that then, Jane. Cheerio !

[Adam]

If someone was seen cycling the fields / sea wall that night Bamber is done for, you would not need to see his face just a basic description of the bike build of the rider is enough.

If cycling Bamber could not afford to be seen even from half a mile away.

The Sea Wall route passed no properties.

[BarefootDanC]

Ha ha, obviously you are not familiar with my Aga burn scenario, Dan!
Who mentioned Sheila moving Nevill?

Oh, so Nevill was against the Aga and neither Sheila nor the police moved him to being precariously over the chair - and this proves that it was Sheila who committed the murderers not Jeremy.

There are various "Aga burn scenarios". One which was invented by a certain Mary Stratton and then advocated by George Barwood (the sole moderator of the "Jeremy Bamber (and other) Discussion" Facebook group) is that when the police opened the door, this pushed Nevill, making him roly poly and landing against the Aga. When the police realised what they had done, they moved him back!

[snow66!]

Thats not the question Snow, what was the heat of the AGA on the night Neville burnt his back?

I dont know, HB, but the CT say you can see the temperature gauge in the crime scene photos.
Obviously I have't seen the finer details of Boyce's Aga experimentation.

[Jane]

Oh well, thats that then, Jane. Cheerio !

That is fact, Snow. All you're doing is hauling out points which have no teeth -possibilities, perhaps, maybes, what ifs, supposings! What is the point of running a test on an AGA running at full tilt when we don't even know if the Bamber's was on? And the answer you crave still won't make JB innocent!

[Hardy Boy]

I dont know, HB, but the CT say you can see the temperature gauge in the crime scene photos.
Obviously I have't seen the finer details of Boyce's Aga experimentation.

Was it on full heat in the photo’s Snow? 

[snow66!]

Oh, so Nevill was against the Aga and neither Sheila nor the police moved him to being precariously over the chair - and this proves that it was Sheila who committed the murderers not Jeremy.

There are various "Aga burn scenarios". One which was invented by a certain Mary Stratton and then advocated by George Barwood (the sole moderator of the "Jeremy Bamber (and other) Discussion" Facebook group) is that when the police opened the door, this pushed Nevill, making him roly poly and landing against the Aga. When the police realised what they had done, they moved him back!

Can you give a brief outline of Mary Strattons Aga burn scenario, Dan? I'm not on facebook.

[Hardy Boy]

I dont know, HB, but the CT say you can see the temperature gauge in the crime scene photos.
Obviously I have't seen the finer details of Boyce's Aga experimentation.

Well the crimes scene photos were took probably 5/6 hours after the murders, so what use is that Snow?

[snow66!]

Was it on full heat in the photo’s Snow?

I'm not sure if they claimed that or not, HB. I wouldn't have thought so at 10.00 o'clock the next morning.
Would need to check.

[Jane]

I dont know, HB, but the CT say you can see the temperature gauge in the crime scene photos.
Obviously I have't seen the finer details of Boyce's Aga experimentation.

I'll bet they have!! And I'll make yet another comparison with our model -same as the Bamber's, remember- in order to read the temperature gauge, I need to use a magnifying glass. I wonder how the CT managed?

[Jane]

I'm not sure if they claimed that or not, HB. I wouldn't have thought so at 10.00 o'clock the next morning.
Would need to check.

Why would it be on, at all, during summer months, when they had alternative means of heating water and cooking?

[BarefootDanC]

Can you give a brief outline of Mary Strattons Aga burn scenario, Dan? I'm not on facebook.

It goes like this:

(1) Nevill was over the stool
(2) The police opened the door (or perhaps rammed it down, I am not sure).
(3) This knocked Nevill from the stool onto the Aga, doing a roly poly.
(4) The police realised they had done this, somehow knowing that he was over the stool (1), so they moved him back

The end result was that Nevill was in the same position as at the start, or roughly the same position, and got burned on the Aga when the police pushed him onto it (2).

Somehow, this is a valid ground for appeal