Article about recent decision

[ILB]

No one is saying 16 minutes.

20 minutes is reasonable on good flat terrain with no traffic. For 4.2 miles. He knew the route

Going by his 3.00am call to Julie he was in no hurry when cycling anyway.

Must not have been worried about telephone calls.

Perhaps he thought that any log would just record the phonecall being made and not a timestamp.

[snow66!]

I think you’ve invested too much into this Snow, no disrespect to you, very hard to prove and of little value, unless it was shown that the Police moved Neville and it came with other evidence?

But I dont want them to prove the police moved Nevill, HB! Quite the contrary, for me, the police moving Nevill rules out the Aga evidence in support of an innocent Bamber!
As Dan was saying, why couldn't JB have shot Nevill and left him lying beside the Aga before he left the Whitehouse around 2.30? I mean, what is the CT plan regarding the police moving Nevill? I dont get it!
All JB/CT had to do was prove that the Aga caused the burns and leave it to the CCRC or the COA to fit them into a guilty JB scenario. How could they? how could they fit Nevill lying beside the Aga for several hours into a JB guilt scenario? Leave it to them for heavens sake! If they decide Nevill was moved fine, but there is no proof of this, is there??? Therefore, all the CCRC has to do/done [I fear] is rule out Nevills body being moved and the Aga evidence is thrown out too as it is within the same agument,ie, issue 3 !
Yes, it will be very interesting to see how issue 3 was dismissed by the CCRC, HB! Very interesting indeedie!

[BarefootDanC]

But I dont want them to prove the police moved Nevill, HB! Quite the contrary, for me, the police moving Nevill rules out the Aga evidence in support of an innocent Bamber!
As Dan was saying, why couldn't JB have shot Nevill and left him lying beside the Aga before he left the Whitehouse around 2.30? I mean, what is the CT plan regarding the police moving Nevill? I dont get it!
All JB/CT had to do was prove that the Aga caused the burns and leave it to the CCRC or the COA to fit them into a guilty JB scenario. How could they? how could they fit Nevill lying beside the Aga for several hours into a JB guilt scenario? Leave it to them for heavens sake! If they decide Nevill was moved fine, but there is no proof of this, is there??? Therefore, all the CCRC has to do/done [I fear] is rule out Nevills body being moved and the Aga evidence is thrown out too as it is within the same agument,ie, issue 3 !

I think we agree that even if the "Aga evidence" proves that he was there for hours and moved by the police, this does nothing to help us figure out whether it was Sheila or Jeremy.

Yes, it will be very interesting to see how issue 3 was dismissed by the CCRC, HB! Very interesting indeedie!

I wonder  whether we will ever get to see the CCRC's Statement of Reasons. So far, only those in very inner circle of supporters, like NGB1066, Bill Robertson, the DocMaker and the Campaign Team have seen it.

In every respect, it's like a cult!

[Hardy Boy]

But I dont want them to prove the police moved Nevill, HB! Quite the contrary, for me, the police moving Nevill rules out the Aga evidence in support of an innocent Bamber!
As Dan was saying, why couldn't JB have shot Nevill and left him lying beside the Aga before he left the Whitehouse around 2.30? I mean, what is the CT plan regarding the police moving Nevill? I dont get it!
All JB/CT had to do was prove that the Aga caused the burns and leave it to the CCRC or the COA to fit them into a guilty JB scenario. How could they? how could they fit Nevill lying beside the Aga for several hours into a JB guilt scenario? Leave it to them for heavens sake! If they decide Nevill was moved fine, but there is no proof of this, is there??? Therefore, all the CCRC has to do/done [I fear] is rule out Nevills body being moved and the Aga evidence is thrown out too as it is within the same agument,ie, issue 3 !
Yes, it will be very interesting to see how issue 3 was dismissed by the CCRC, HB! Very interesting indeedie!

The CCRC doesn’t work like that Snow I’m afraid.  How do you prove they are burn marks in the first place, when the Pathologist didn’t know, and the defence pathologist thought they could be bruises.  Even if they match the Aga handles, it doesn’t alter where Neville was found, why can’t they be rifle barrel marks or poker marks or bruises,   You cannot determine such evidence from photo’s they are claims that cannot be proved in my opinion.

Boyce’s experiment was a cheap shot in my opinion, poorly staged and not convincing, the position of the body (stooge) and the handle spacing left a lot to be desired which has been covered on here.

Like I said, the Aga mark theory would have been dismissed by the Tea Lady on her Tea break it’s that simple.

[Hardy Boy]

I think we agree that even if the "Aga evidence" proves that he was there for hours and moved by the police, this does nothing to help us figure out whether it was Sheila or Jeremy.

I wonder  whether we will ever get to see the CCRC's Statement of Reasons. So far, only those in very inner circle of supporters, like NGB1066, Bill Robertson, the DocMaker and the Campaign Team have seen it.

In every respect, it's like a cult!

I don’t blame him for not making them public Dan, they have to study them in detail to make a challenge.  Not only that, the CT don’t want anything that could damage him (not saying there is anything)

[snow66!]

I think we agree that even if the "Aga evidence" proves that he was there for hours and moved by the police, this does nothing to help us figure out whether it was Sheila or Jeremy.

I wonder  whether we will ever get to see the CCRC's Statement of Reasons. So far, only those in very inner circle of supporters, like NGB1066, Bill Robertson, the DocMaker and the Campaign Team have seen it.

In every respect, it's like a cult!

But what if the police 'did not' move Nevill after entry. Dan, dont you think that will prove JBs innocence to a fair degree?
ie, this means the burns must have been formed before Nevill ended up balancing on the chair, hence he must have been lying against the Aga much earlier on eg, 11.00-3.00?
I dont know who has seen the CCRC refusal, Dan! But if it isn't made public I think it will harm JBs support ! If we are left in the dark there will be nothing to discuss or try and progress with.

[BarefootDanC]

But what if the police 'did not' move Nevill after entry. Dan, dont you think that will prove JBs innocence to a fair degree?

How would that imply that it was Sheila rather than Jeremy? Don't you find it very hard to imagine Sheila moving Nevill to where he was found?

[Hardy Boy]

But what if the police 'did not' move Nevill after entry. Dan, dont you think that will prove JBs innocence to a fair degree?
ie, this means the burns must have been formed before Nevill ended up balancing on the chair, hence he must have been lying against the Aga much earlier on eg, 11.00-3.00?
I dont know who has seen the CCRC refusal, Dan! But if it isn't made public I think it will harm JBs support ! If we are left in the dark there will be nothing to discuss or try and progress with.

The police didn’t move Neville,  but it still doesn’t mean Bamber innocent.

[Jane]

But what if the police 'did not' move Nevill after entry. Dan, dont you think that will prove JBs innocence to a fair degree?
ie, this means the burns must have been formed before Nevill ended up balancing on the chair, hence he must have been lying against the Aga much earlier on eg, 11.00-3.00?
I dont know who has seen the CCRC refusal, Dan! But if it isn't made public I think it will harm JBs support ! If we are left in the dark there will be nothing to discuss or try and progress with.

Which ever side we support, there will always be something to discuss. There won't be anything to progress with because JB was found guilty because the probability of him being guilty was higher than that of Sheila being guilty. All supporters have to hang on to is that she had a psychotic episode. If she hadn't been adequately medicated, there would probably be many more supporters, ergo, the likelihood of her having one has to be low to non existent. Add to that the Box and Cox of the phones, and the ball falls much harder into JB's court, than Sheila's.

[Rob_]

If the wet suit was used he still needed face covering if he cycled, that’s why the mask was at his cottage, Julie said they were normally all together?

If someone was seen cycling the fields / sea wall that night Bamber is done for, you would not need to see his face just a basic description of the bike build of the rider is enough.

If cycling Bamber could not afford to be seen even from half a mile away.

[snow66!]

The police didn’t move Neville,  but it still doesn’t mean Bamber innocent.

Even if the Aga caused the burns, HB??

[Hardy Boy]

Even if the Aga caused the burns, HB??

What was the heat of the Aga on the night Snow? 

[Adam]

But what if the police 'did not' move Nevill after entry. Dan, dont you think that will prove JBs innocence to a fair degree?
ie, this means the burns must have been formed before Nevill ended up balancing on the chair, hence he must have been lying against the Aga much earlier on eg, 11.00-3.00?
I dont know who has seen the CCRC refusal, Dan! But if it isn't made public I think it will harm JBs support ! If we are left in the dark there will be nothing to discuss or try and progress with.

Sheila couldn't function Snow. Either physically or mentally. It is well documentated.

It had been the case for years.

Knocking out a fully fit Nevill with one blow won't happen. Bamber needed to shoot him 8 times & give him 40+ injuries with the rifle.

[snow66!]

How would that imply that it was Sheila rather than Jeremy? Don't you find it very hard to imagine Sheila moving Nevill to where he was found?

Ha ha, obviously you are not familiar with my Aga burn scenario, Dan!
Who mentioned Sheila moving Nevill?

[snow66!]

Sheila couldn't function Snow. Either physically or mentally. It is well documentated.

It had been the case for years.

Knocking out a fully fit Nevill with one blow won't happen. Bamber needed to shoot him 8 times & give him 40+ injuries with the rifle.

Anyone can be knocked out by a blow to the head, Adam! Doesn't matter how fit you are.