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[Rob_]

I don't understand all this about moving / hiding phones?

If Bamber is the shooter all he had to do was disconnect the main phone socket on entry and all the phones would be rendered useless.

If he did hide a phone surely he puts it back in it's usual position before exiting through the window?

[Adam]

If both the kitchen & bedroom phones were working, you would expect the kitchen phone to be in the kitchen and the bedroom phone to be in the bedroom.

If the bedroom phone was in the bedroom, people may ask why didn't June ring anyone.

[Adam]

Jean Bouttell cannot remember which phones were in which room on the 5th August.

Either the bedroom phone was already in the kitchen. Or Bamber brought it downstairs. Either way he took it off the hook.

[snow66!]

I don't understand all this about moving / hiding phones?

If Bamber is the shooter all he had to do was disconnect the main phone socket on entry and all the phones would be rendered useless.

If he did hide a phone surely he puts it back in it's usual position before exiting through the window?

Yes, makes sense Rob.
Also, why did JB shoot Nevill twice in the mouth and then claim that Nevill phoned him?
Are we to believe that JB shot Nevill in the mouth by mistake? And if so, why not put a phone in the bedroom beside June and tell the police that 'she' phoned him instead?

[Hardy Boy]

Yes, makes sense Rob.
Also, why did JB shoot Nevill twice in the mouth and then claim that Nevill phoned him?
Are we to believe that JB shot Nevill in the mouth by mistake? And if so, why not put a phone in the bedroom beside June and tell the police that 'she' phoned him instead?

Bamber never claimed Neville had been shot.  The Phone was always kept at Neville’s side of the bed.

Bamber couldn’t risk being identified and someone calling the police on 999 or his whole plan had failed, why do you think the bottom part of the wet suit was found in his room at the farm and the head piece (mask) was found at Bourtree cottage, he’s used the mask to cover his face?  It doesn’t matter how well you plan things, it doesn’t always work out.  He probably never thought Neville would make it downstairs so he has to adjust to suit.

When Jones asked him “Had he entered the house via windows recently”. He nodded, “Kitchen windows, scullery windows,  and downstairs toilet window and sitting room window, in the last six months, I can’t say how many times I’ve done it”. He’s covering himself because  He’s been trying the whole bottom floor  windows in the house.

He has to own up to this because, he’s not sure what the police have on him regarding fingerprints, or any farm worker who might have spotted him in the past or evidence they might have.  He’s ttrying all the windows to see which would be best to gain entry and exit after the murders, it’s not normal for this behaviour, to do it once yes and if you did it once you would make sure you didn’t have to do it again.  Even if you did it once, you would use the same window and not keep changing windows, he admitted he used a knife to get in to move the latch so why keep changing windows?

That’s why when they found that a hacksaw blade had been used recently on recently painted shower room window, he mentioned that he’d forgot his keys the weekend after his release from custody, and he used it to gain entry?  Trouble was no one checked the dates for that weekend, the 15/16 th of September,  the records from the surveillance team have him in London on them dates according to CAL?  This was never used as evidence because it wasn’t spotted till later?

[Adam]

Windsurfers don't usually wear masks -

'While windsurfers don't typically wear face masks, they do often wear helmets for head protection'.

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Thought a windsurfers outfit was a whole body suit?

Quite possible he wore a balaclava.

[Adam]

If the wetsuit was black it could be useful to wear for the massacre. Less chance of being seen.

Blood would be washed off more effectively than on cotton clothes.

Or he could wear a wetsuit underneath clothes for extra protection.

[Hardy Boy]

If the wetsuit was black it could be useful to wear for the massacre. Less chance of being seen.

Blood would be washed off more effectively than on cotton clothes.

Or he could wear a wetsuit underneath clothes for extra protection.

If the wet suit was used he still needed face covering if he cycled, that’s why the mask was at his cottage, Julie said they were normally all together?

[Adam]

If the wet suit was used he still needed face covering if he cycled, that’s why the mask was at his cottage, Julie said they were normally all together?

Where does Julie mention a mask?

[Adam]

Sounds like Bamber blacked up for the massacre.

Dying his hair. AE said his skin looked a lot darker when she saw him.

[Jane]

Yes, makes sense Rob.
Also, why did JB shoot Nevill twice in the mouth and then claim that Nevill phoned him?
Are we to believe that JB shot Nevill in the mouth by mistake? And if so, why not put a phone in the bedroom beside June and tell the police that 'she' phoned him instead?

Perhaps you've failed to recognize that the call JB -eventually- made to police after the alleged call from Nevill, who, according to JB, exhibited no sign of injury, was to disassociate himself from anything which may have been happening at WHF. So here he was, in Goldhanger, phoning police, ergo, whatever might be going on at the farm, couldn't have anything to do with him. Thing was, he'd already been there and they were already dead.

[Adam]

If he had a windsurfers helmet, he could wear that. It would give him extra protection.

[Curiosity]

If he had a windsurfers helmet, he could wear that. It would give him extra protection.

I doubt very much that he'd have worn his wetsuit top and bottoms, being far too tight, restrictive and sweaty whether walking, jogging or cycling. And these were found in his WHF bedroom anyway, so why leave bloodied evidence there?

But possibly wore the headpiece which was later discovered at Bourtree, to give a semblance of disguise. Maybe something like this one -

https://www.mundo-surf.com/en/wetsuit-hoods/6164-neoprene-cap-oneill-ninja-hood-5051678506351.html

[Hardy Boy]

I doubt very much that he'd have worn his wetsuit top and bottoms, being far too tight, restrictive and sweaty whether walking, jogging or cycling. And these were found in his WHF bedroom anyway, so why leave bloodied evidence there?

But possibly wore the headpiece which was later discovered at Bourtree, to give a semblance of disguise. Maybe something like this one -

https://www.mundo-surf.com/en/wetsuit-hoods/6164-neoprene-cap-oneill-ninja-hood-5051678506351.html

I agree, to be honest I wear headpiece under my cycling helmet, it keeps flies from getting though the vents of the helmet, ia Rapha hat, but in colder months I wear a balaclava.  If you go around London all the Deliveroo drivers wear balaclava’s,  so they’re not recognised while cycling.

[Hardy Boy]

Where does Julie mention a mask?

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