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Offline BarefootDanC

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« Reply #15 on: July 08, 2025, 06:38:PM »
I can't speak for the Campaign Team but as far as I am concerned it is not a question of JB being 'acquitted', that is never going to happen. The best he will ever get is for his conviction to be declared unsafe. If the Stokenchurch records indicate that the 999 call did happen then of course his conviction is unsafe, irrespective of any other factors, such as the silencer evidence. To have a supposedly dead victim making a phone call is pretty good evidence that the case outlined by the prosecution must be flawed.

Why won't the CCRC inspect the Stokenchurch records? What are they scared of finding?

Perhaps if all the other evidence makes it clear that Sheila made no 999 call, there would be no point in looking into the Stokenchurch records.

For one thing, if the Stockenchurch enquiry was aware of such as call, why did they record it and then cover it up (or partly cover it up because you believe that it provides proof of such a call)?

Did the Stockenchurch enquiry give the police officers "truth serum" and then also hide it.

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« Reply #16 on: July 08, 2025, 06:45:PM »
Convenient that Sheila never spoke.

Convenient and strange.

People that ring 999 usually want to give chapter & verse.
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« Reply #17 on: July 08, 2025, 06:59:PM »
At least Sheila dialled 999 rather than Chelmsford Police.
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« Reply #18 on: July 08, 2025, 07:21:PM »
At least Sheila dialled 999 rather than Chelmsford Police.
Ha ha! Good one, Adam, good one!

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« Reply #19 on: July 08, 2025, 07:38:PM »
Perhaps if all the other evidence makes it clear that Sheila made no 999 call, there would be no point in looking into the Stokenchurch records.

For one thing, if the Stockenchurch enquiry was aware of such as call, why did they record it and then cover it up (or partly cover it up because you believe that it provides proof of such a call)?

Did the Stockenchurch enquiry give the police officers "truth serum" and then also hide it.

But could it have been June who made the call? No one, not even the police and medics have given her a time of death. The notion that the perp killed them all in a short time period is in itself guess work. There could have been multiple scenarios for how things unfolded in terms of timings.

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« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2025, 08:04:PM »
At least Sheila dialled 999 rather than Chelmsford Police.

You've got to understand Jez doesn't like getting organisations involved, he didn't even like the NHS   ;D
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« Reply #21 on: July 08, 2025, 08:06:PM »
For me I personally believe a 999 call is non sensical.

There is no reason for Shelia on a rampage to call 999. This was not a hostage situation. There was no demands. This is supposed to have been ( the alternative to the gulity Jeremy) a woman gone ape shit with a rifle. A woman with mental health issues etc.
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« Reply #22 on: July 08, 2025, 08:07:PM »
If there is ever crystal clear proof of a 999 phonecall then I'll stand corrected. Otherwise it's a complete red herring.
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« Reply #23 on: July 08, 2025, 08:11:PM »
But could it have been June who made the call? No one, not even the police and medics have given her a time of death. The notion that the perp killed them all in a short time period is in itself guess work. There could have been multiple scenarios for how things unfolded in terms of timings.

Have you considered Crispy?  The GPO operative did say she could hear loud barking and it appeared the dog was near the receiver.
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« Reply #24 on: July 08, 2025, 08:33:PM »
But could it have been June who made the call? No one, not even the police and medics have given her a time of death. The notion that the perp killed them all in a short time period is in itself guess work. There could have been multiple scenarios for how things unfolded in terms of timings.
I thought June was pinned to the pillow, with bullets trajecting through the latter.

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« Reply #25 on: July 08, 2025, 08:35:PM »
Have you considered Crispy?  The GPO operative did say she could hear loud barking and it appeared the dog was near the receiver.
Ok Cutie, could we just go through this one more time for someone like me who has no grasp of anything technical!
I mean, just what is the official police version regarding the call at 6.09?
Am I right in thinking that the phone was off the hook in the Whitehouse and Milbank was on duty listening in, then at 6.09 the operator linked the open line to a police station by dialling 999?
If so, just a few questions! How did Milbank know it was a 999 call, and why was the operator making a link to another police station if Milbank was already listening in?
Or have I got this wrong? was Milbank simply sitting beside a phone in a police station and the phone rang [999] at 6.09, and he picked it up! And this was actually the operator phoning the police station to link the open line inside the Whitehouse to the police station so that the police could listen in?
If so, was the operator unable to speak to Milbank and explain what she had just done? I mean, how did Milbank know he had been connected to the Whitehouse at that time? Who told him? And, who told him to continue listening in?
I mean, I presume he wasn't just some random copper sitting in a police station like West or Bonnet, unaware of what was taking place at the Whitehouse and just answered the phone? Else he would have just put the phone down again when no one answered, surely??
Can you put me right, Cutie?

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« Reply #26 on: July 08, 2025, 08:46:PM »
Ok Cutie, could we just go through this one more time for someone like me who has no grasp of anything technical!
I mean, just what is the official police version regarding the call at 6.09?
Am I right in thinking that the phone was off the hook in the Whitehouse and Milbank was on duty listening in, then at 6.09 the operator linked the open line to a police station by dialling 999?
If so, just a few questions! How did Milbank know it was a 999 call, and why was the operator making a link to another police station if Milbank was already listening in?
Or have I got this wrong? was Milbank simply sitting beside a phone in a police station and the phone rang [999] at 6.09, and he picked it up! And this was actually the operator phoning the police station to link the open line inside the Whitehouse to the police station so that the police could listen in?
If so, was the operator unable to speak to Milbank and explain what she had just done? I mean, how did Milbank know he had been connected to the Whitehouse at that time? Who told him? And, who told him to continue listening in?
I mean, I presume he wasn't just some random copper sitting in a police station like West or Bonnet, unaware of what was taking place at the Whitehouse and just answered the phone? Else he would have just put the phone down again when no one answered, surely??
Can you put me right, Cutie?

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12477.msg577421.html#msg577421

'At 6.09am this open line was linked up with our own '999' call line and was thereafter constantly monitored by PC Millbank'..

« Last Edit: July 08, 2025, 08:47:PM by Adam »
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« Reply #27 on: July 08, 2025, 08:49:PM »
The CT saw the numbers 999 & 6.09am.

Then 40 years later decided that Sheila called the police and did not say anything.
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« Reply #28 on: July 08, 2025, 08:59:PM »
https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12477.msg577421.html#msg577421

'At 6.09am this open line was linked up with our own '999' call line and was thereafter constantly monitored by PC Millbank'..
OK, so where was Milbank,Adam, and was he told to expect the operator to link him up with the line inside the Whitehouse? I mean, was he briefed as to what was going to happen by his superiors or was it simply a call out of the blue as it were? And if so, why didn't he just hang up when no one spoke?
And who eventually told him he was linked through to the Whitehouse and to continue monitoring the line?
Someone had to give Milbank his orders, surely?
Either Milbank was briefed to expect the call from the Whitehouse or he wasnt! Which is it?
Or was he already listening in to the Whitehouse line? and if so, how on earth could he receive a call from the operator?
I just dont get it!!
And as I was saying, which police station was Milbank in ,on the night of the murders?
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« Reply #29 on: July 08, 2025, 09:07:PM »
OK, so where was Milbank,Adam, and was he told to expect the operator to link him up with the line inside the Whitehouse? I mean, was he briefed as to what was going to happen by his superiors or was it simply a call out of the blue as it were? And if so, why didn't he just hang up when no one spoke?
And who eventually told him he was linked through to the Whitehouse and to continue monitoring the line?
Someone had to give Milbank his orders, surely?
Either Milbank was briefed to expect the call from the Whitehouse or he wasnt! Which is it?
Or was he already listening in to the Whitehouse line? and if so, how on earth could he receive a call from the operator?
I just dont get it!!
And as I was saying, which police station was Milbank in ,on the night of the murders?

Look forward to you providing the answers.

I am just going by the 1985 WS.
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