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[snow66!]

Look forward to you providing the answers.

I am just going by the 1985 WS.

I am waiting for someone else to provide the answers, Adam? We need clarification around the Milbank situation!
Surely they are basic questions?
I'll have another look at Bills article and the Newyorker stuff on substacks too!

[snow66!]

There is no information in Bills article as to where Milbank was stationed nor any other details, just that he received a 999 call and any other info would be in the Stokenchurch inquiry!
So no answers to my questions there!

[BarefootDanC]

There is no information in Bills article as to where Milbank was stationed nor any other details, just that he received a 999 call and any other info would be in the Stokenchurch inquiry!
So no answers to my questions there!

The $64,000 question is, did Milbank "receive a 999 call" or was this just 999 being used to monitor the call as the contemporaneous evidence suggests?

If the latter, is this the New Yorker manipulating things to cause a storm?

[Adam]

There is no information in Bills article as to where Milbank was stationed nor any other details, just that he received a 999 call and any other info would be in the Stokenchurch inquiry!
So no answers to my questions there!

It is all properganda Snow.

The CT have to invent something every few months to keep supporters interested.

[BarefootDanC]

Ha ha! Good one, Adam, good one!

That thought had occurred to me as well.

Jeremy called the local police, looking the number up in the phone book, despite the phone book saying "in an emergency, call 999"!

Nevill allegedly called Jeremy, rather than the police because "he doesn't like to involve organisations", telling Jeremy to come over. Jeremy then "involves an organisation" but the local police rather than 999.

Around 2010, the then Campaign Team "found" a log a started claiming that Nevill did involve an organisation after all - but the local police rather than 999!

But Sheila called 999, only she didn't actually speak to anyone!

[snow66!]

The $64,000 question is, did Milbank "receive a 999 call" or was this just 999 being used to monitor the call as the contemporaneous evidence suggests?

If the latter, is this the New Yorker manipulating things to cause a storm?

Well i've just read Burrells statement on the forum here Dan, it answers most of our questions!

Burrells statement-  on wed 7th Aug 1985 I was the duty sgt in the force information room at police headquarters, Chelmsford. At about 03.45 hours I became aware of an incident in the Tolleshunt D'arcy area. At 3.56 I caused the Telecom operator to check the line on a Maldon number 860209. This was done and I was told that the telephone receiver was off the rest. At 5.55 I caused a second check to be made with the same result accompanier by a dog barking.
At 6.09 hours this open line was linked up with our ''999' call line and was thereafter constantly monitored by PC Milbank. D.Burrell.-.......

So, there you have it, Dan, according to Burrell, he himself instructed the operator what to do, initially telling her to check the Whitehouse telephone number, so Burrell set things in motion regarding the operator and then seemed to listen in or at least be told by the operator that a dog was barking inside the Whitehouse at 5.55. Then at the crucial time of 6.09 he says 'this open line was linked up with our '999' call line and was thereafter constantly monitored by PC Milbank'. Notice that Burrell doesn't actually say that they 'received' a call at 6.09, just that a link was made to their '999' call line!
Ok, so that brings us to Milbank! According to Burrell you would think Milbank was in the loop all along and asked to monitor the line once the link was made? There is no mention of Milbank 'receiving' a call from the whitehouse, or any call for that matter!
So, we can only conclude that someone is mistaken or lying? Either Milbank knew exactly what was happening and did not answer a call from the Whitehouse, merely following orders to monitor the phone once the lihk to the Whitehouse initiated by Burrell was made, or Burrel is lying and Milbank did indeed answer a call from the Whitehouse, but if so, how did he actually know the call came from the Whitehouse? was the number somehow recorded? Well,it would appear there was more to the call than an apparent planned link by the operator as Burrell claimed, as the Stokenchurch inquiry was apparently  tasked with investigating the '999' call originating from inside the Whitehouse, Why would they do that if it had simply been a planned link at 6.09 initiated by Burrell?
Seems the call 'may' juat have been made by someone from inside the Whitehouse after all, Dan!
What do you think?

[Bubo bubo]

There is no information in Bills article as to where Milbank was stationed nor any other details, just that he received a 999 call and any other info would be in the Stokenchurch inquiry!
So no answers to my questions there!

Milbank was a civilian worker. He performed the same role as Bonnett. We know this because it is his handwriting on the Bonnett log when he took over the 06.00am to 14.00pm shift. Bonnett was on the night shift. He worked at EP headquarters HQIR, which is just outside the City, Not the Divisional HQ which was based in the centre of Chelmsford.

It is clear that there was not a smooth changeover because there is another hand that makes three log entries after Bonnet's last recording at 05.42am and Milbank's at 06.09.

[snow66!]

Part of Jean Rowes statement-  At about 5.50a.m. the same day the same caller [Burrell] came on the phone again and asked if it was possible to put this number[whitehouse] through to police Headquarters to enable them to monitor it. I am not allowed to engage the direct emergency police line so I again checked into this Maldon number[Whitehouse] and then phoned the police headquarters and connected the two thus enabling the police to listen to the line. I didn't listen to the line at all this time as I was engaged in making alarm calls and other BT services.-........

So, Jean Rowe did phone police headquarters around 6.00 to connect HQ to the Whitehouse,but doesn't actually give a time. And with this call she conveniently doesn't talk to anyone apparently to confirm what she has done! Too busy with 'alarms' to spare a few seconds it seems??? OR, a fine excuse to explain away the fact that no one spoke to Milbank when he picked up the phone??
All very suspicious, and feels contrived to fit in with Burrells statement,dont you think?
And Ithink her statement is dated, 8th Aug,the day after the murders! She's just worked all night and is tracked down the same day to give a statement? Why? According to Burrell, he knew exactly what happened anyway, so why the rush to get a statement from Rowe?
And what number was Jean Rowe using to contact Burrell? Did he give her a contact number? How else could she connect him to the Whitehouse?? Just by dialling the national '999' number?
As I said, I am not technically minded,but if Milbank received a '999' call isn't it more likely it was from inside the Whitehouse, and probably before Jean Rowe connected the two phone lines ?

[snow66!]

Milbank was a civilian worker. He performed the same role as Bonnett. We know this because it is his handwriting on the Bonnett log when he took over the 06.00am to 14.00pm shift. Bonnett was on the night shift. He worked at EP headquarters HQIR, which is just outside the City, Not the Divisional HQ which was based in the centre of Chelmsford.

It is clear that there was not a smooth changeover because there is another hand that makes three log entries after Bonnet's last recording at 05.42am and Milbank's at 06.09.

Thanks Bubo! So do you think Burrell lied about Milbank receiving a call at 6.09?
Jean Rowe may have told the truth, simply unaware that Milbank received a call before she connected the Whitehouse to HQ?
What do you think?

[Bubo bubo]

Part of Jean Rowes statement-  At about 5.50a.m. the same day the same caller [Burrell] came on the phone again and asked if it was possible to put this number[whitehouse] through to police Headquarters to enable them to monitor it. I am not allowed to engage the direct emergency police line so I again checked into this Maldon number[Whitehouse] and then phoned the police headquarters and connected the two thus enabling the police to listen to the line. I didn't listen to the line at all this time as I was engaged in making alarm calls and other BT services.-........

So, Jean Rowe did phone police headquarters around 6.00 to connect HQ to the Whitehouse,but doesn't actually give a time. And with this call she conveniently doesn't talk to anyone apparently to confirm what she has done! Too busy with 'alarms' to spare a few seconds it seems??? OR, a fine excuse to explain away the fact that no one spoke to Milbank when he picked up the phone??
All very suspicious, and feels contrived to fit in with Burrells statement,dont you think?
And Ithink her statement is dated, 8th Aug,the day after the murders! She's just worked all night and is tracked down the same day to give a statement? Why? According to Burrell, he knew exactly what happened anyway, so why the rush to get a statement from Rowe?
And what number was Jean Rowe using to contact Burrell? Did he give her a contact number? How else could she connect him to the Whitehouse?? Just by dialling the national '999' number?
As I said, I am not technically minded,but if Milbank received a '999' call isn't it more likely it was from inside the Whitehouse, and probably before Jean Rowe connected the two phone lines ?

You must remember that HQIR and Divisional HQ shared the same telephone number and still do to this day 01245 491491. JR transferred the call by connecting  Divisional HQ to WHF because she was not allowed to manipulate the 999 system as she states. That is assuming that this part of this faked statement was genuine.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12282.msg567690.html#msg567690

[snow66!]

You must remember that HQIR and Divisional HQ shared the same telephone number and still do to this day 01245 491491. JR transferred the call by connecting  Divisional HQ to WHF because she was not allowed to manipulate the 999 system as she states. That is assuming that this part of this faked statement was genuine.

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,12282.msg567690.html#msg567690

So if Milbank received a '999' call then it couldn't have been from the operator Jean Rowe then, is that right Bubo?
I did think it odd that the police would tie up an emergency '999' call line for several hours!

[snow66!]

It is all properganda Snow.

The CT have to invent something every few months to keep supporters interested.

I'm not so sure, Adam!
I still have to check exactly what Milbank claimed regarding the call! Still not sure how he knew it was from the Whitehouse? But all will be revealed no doubt!
His taped interview should be interesting! Could cause an uproar!

[Bubo bubo]

So if Milbank received a '999' call then it couldn't have been from the operator Jean Rowe then, is that right Bubo?
I did think it odd that the police would tie up an emergency '999' call line for several hours!

It is difficult to be certain because I believe the Milbank and JR statements are both faked as part of the hiding of a second 999 call that is indicated by the change in the line status in the logs. It is further complicated by these events which were happening during a shift change. I believe it is most likely that he listened in on the line that had been created on the 01245 number which he knew had originated as a new 999 call on or around 05.47

[Cambridgecutie]

I thought June was pinned to the pillow, with bullets trajecting through the latter.

She was.  And from the moment she left the bed she was dripping blood and there are no drip stains leading out of the bedroom.  There's absolutely zero evidence June left the bedroom having sustained the initial gunshot wounds whilst prone in bed but this will not stop some wanting to move all the parts to factor in a 999 call 

[Cambridgecutie]

But could it have been June who made the call?No one, not even the police and medics have given her a time of death. The notion that the perp killed them all in a short time period is in itself guess work. There could have been multiple scenarios for how things unfolded in terms of timings.

There was no 999 call.  Just the GPO connecting the open line at WHF to EP to enable them to listen in. 

No June did not make a 999 call.  June sustained her initial gunshot wounds whilst prone in bed.  Bullets went through her and into the pillow.  When she got up out of bed she was dripping blood and there are no drip stains leading out of the bedroom. 

Dr Craig gave an estimated time of death.

There are enough known facts to know what happened:

- NB and SC were downstairs
- NB called JB from the kitchen phone and told him SC was going crazy and had the gun.
- SC went upstairs and opened fire on June
- NB dropped the receiver and went upstairs where he sustained his facial shots on the landing.  He turned to return downstairs where he sustained the shots to his shoulder and elbow
- NB and SC ended up in the kitchen where an altercation took place.  NB lost his life having sustained 4 further gunshot wounds to his head
- June walked round the bed and back perhaps looking for the phone.  She was shot a further twice by the bedroom door and lost her life
- The twins were shot
- SC shot herself

And by the time JB and EP turned up they were all dead.