CCRC decision

[Adam]

Of the 4 remaining grounds -

The windows was ground 3 of the 2002 COA application.

Inheritance was Ground 10 in the 2002 COA application.

Police misconduct was Ground 16 of the 2002 COA application.

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Sheila being alive inside WHF was not at the COA. Seems the CCRC have already dismissed this as they have dismissed the 6.09am call.

[BarefootDanC]

It is fanciful to suggest that Mr Milibank would have held the key to the door after 40 years.

I find it hard to believe he was put under pressure to stay silent for forty years. Up until his death he was still employed by Essex police.

And if he was really put under pressure to remain silent for 40 years, why did he say what he said to Heidi Blake? Did Heidi Blake have truth serum?

[Bubo bubo]

And if he was really put under pressure to remain silent for 40 years, why did he say what he said to Heidi Blake? Did Heidi Blake have truth serum?

I was only answering ILB's point. It is perfectly possible that he just kept quiet and got on with his job, kept his head down. If he was not approached by others, Ainsley for example he may have felt that his actions were of no significance to the prosecution given all the other evidence they used especially since he had no conversation when listening in.

[ILB]

The remaining items are -

Sheila being alive inside WHF.

Windows.

Inheritance.

Complaints against police officers.

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All these are non starters. Will have to check if any were already grounds in 2002.

I don't think the window is non starter.

Whether it's strong enough on a single ground though is a different kettle of fish. My view that it isn't when other areas of evidence remain unaffected.

[ILB]

There are circumstances which could explain his lengthy silence. 1 Physical threats. 2 He was guilty of a crime which would not be pressed if he stayed shtum. In the latter case a lot would depend on the nature of the crime and possible sentence or the distress it would cause his nearest and dearest. If he knew he did not have long to live he may have decided to open up to free himself of the threats he faced.

Physical threats? From who? Ainsley?Jones? Cook?

[ILB]

I was only answering ILB's point. It is perfectly possible that he just kept quiet and got on with his job, kept his head down. If he was not approached by others, Ainsley for example he may have felt that his actions were of no significance to the prosecution given all the other evidence they used especially since he had no conversation when listening in.

It's possible he was convinced of Jeremy Bambers guilt like many were.

Whether he's wrestled with the situation in his head over 40 years is anybodys guess. He's no longer with us.

Maybe he mentioned it to his wife but any contact with her would be too intrusive and she will be grieving. And the CT shouldn't approach her.

[ILB]

And if he was really put under pressure to remain silent for 40 years, why did he say what he said to Heidi Blake? Did Heidi Blake have truth serum?

To be honest I'm confused with it all Milibank denied what Blake says he said.

[Bubo bubo]

Physical threats? From who? Ainsley?Jones? Cook?

Any one who had a lot to lose. Something went wrong with the TFG raid. It was covered up. There would be many who knew what happened and others latterly assisted with the framing of JB. In the 1980's there was a large proportion of the police who were Masons and this has featured in recent TV programmes 'Gold' is a good example. The police were Thatcher's foot soldiers, especially during the miners strikes.

If the whole truth came out many would loose their jobs, pensions and much more.

If such a culture was prevalent within EP at that time it would not be a good idea to step out of line by whistleblowing, leaking to the media, etc.

[Adam]

I don't think the window is non starter.

Whether it's strong enough on a single ground though is a different kettle of fish. My view that it isn't when other areas of evidence remain unaffected.

The windows was Ground 3 of the 2002 COA.

They would need a pboto of the bottom latch of the kitchen window secure on it's pegs.

They have not got that as there are items in front of it. Probably put there by Bamber.

Julie, AE & the police say the kitchen window top latch can be banged shut from outside. The defence did not deny this was possible at trial.

The house keeper says fixed items around the kitchen window were moved over night.

Bamber said himself he knew how to get in and out of WHF through windows.

So can't see what new evidence is being disclosed which may have influenced the jury.

[ILB]

The windows was Ground 3 of the 2002 COA.

They would need a pboto of the bottom latch of the kitchen window secure on it's pegs.

They have not got that as there are items in front of it. Probably put there by Bamber.

Julie, AE & the police say the kitchen window top latch can be banged shut from outside. The defence did not deny this was possible at trial.

The house keeper says fixed items around the kitchen window were moved over night.

Bamber said himself he knew how to get in and out of WHF through windows.

So can't see what new evidence is being disclosed which may have influenced the jury.

You can't " bang " a turn handle mechanism shut its that simple.

[Adam]

You can't " bang " a turn handle mechanism shut its that simple.

The police, relatives & defence disagree.

They all checked.

[Bubo bubo]

Any one who had a lot to lose. Something went wrong with the TFG raid. It was covered up. There would be many who knew what happened and others latterly assisted with the framing of JB. In the 1980's there was a large proportion of the police who were Masons and this has featured in recent TV programmes 'Gold' is a good example. The police were Thatcher's foot soldiers, especially during the miners strikes.

If the whole truth came out many would loose their jobs, pensions and much more.

If such a culture was prevalent within EP at that time it would not be a good idea to step out of line by whistleblowing, leaking to the media, etc.

BR has posted about the running of EP at that time. From memory he said if ACC Simpson imposed a way  forward all would fall in line. I also suggest that the whole life order made by DH was to allow those involved to sleep easier at night knowing JB would not see freedom. He was originally sentenced to 25 years and if he did not admit guilt he would be unlikely to get parole. However he could still have chosen to admit guilt and then pursue his case once freed. The whole life tariff prevented this. He would be left with just the mercy of the failing CCRC to try to win his freedom

[ILB]

The police, relatives & defence disagree.

They all checked.

It can't have been a turn handle mechanism then.

It's physically impossible.

You know this.

[ILB]

BR has posted about the running of EP at that time. From memory he said if ACC Simpson imposed a way  forward all would fall in line. I also suggest that the whole life order made by DH was to allow those involved to sleep easier at night knowing JB would not see freedom. He was originally sentenced to 25 years and if he did not admit guilt he would be unlikely to get parole. However he could still have chosen to admit guilt and then pursue his case once freed. The whole life tariff prevented this. He would be left with just the mercy of the failing CCRC to try to win his freedom

I was in Long Lartin with JB when he received that news.

I used to think Michaeal Howard had done in 1994 solely for political reasons ( tough on crime stance) until I found out it had been done in 88 by Douglas Hurd without JBs knowledge.

[Adam]

It can't have been a turn handle mechanism then.

It's physically impossible.

You know this.

It is a handle that fell into place if banged from outside. As said by the relatives, Julie, the police, prosecution and defence.

No surprise he found such a window in a big house.

You know this.