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Offline Hardy Boy

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Re: Freedom of speech - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #15 on: July 02, 2025, 07:30:PM »
RABBLE-rousing punk band Bob Vylan are being investigated by police for another anti-Israel outburst onstage weeks before the Glastonbury Festival, the Mail can reveal.

Detectives are probing video footage of a performance the controversial band gave at Alexandra Palace in London in May.

In the clip, Bob Vylan frontman, whose real name is Pascal Robinson-Foster, can be heard yelling: ‘Death to EVERY SINGLE IDF soldier out there as an agent of terror for Israel. Death to the IDF’.

The comments - which were made on May 28 2025 at Alexandra Palace shortly before a performance of the band’s song Hunger Games - echo the widely-condemned remarks made on the West Holts stage.

Last night a spokesperson for the Metropolitan Police told the Daily Mail: ‘Officers are investigating comments allegedly made during a concert at Alexandra Palace earlier this year.

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« Reply #16 on: July 02, 2025, 07:43:PM »
RABBLE-rousing punk band Bob Vylan are being investigated by police for another anti-Israel outburst onstage weeks before the Glastonbury Festival, the Mail can reveal.

Detectives are probing video footage of a performance the controversial band gave at Alexandra Palace in London in May.

In the clip, Bob Vylan frontman, whose real name is Pascal Robinson-Foster, can be heard yelling: ‘Death to EVERY SINGLE IDF soldier out there as an agent of terror for Israel. Death to the IDF’.

The comments - which were made on May 28 2025 at Alexandra Palace shortly before a performance of the band’s song Hunger Games - echo the widely-condemned remarks made on the West Holts stage.

Last night a spokesperson for the Metropolitan Police told the Daily Mail: ‘Officers are investigating comments allegedly made during a concert at Alexandra Palace earlier this year.
How dare a bone-headed gobby crapper take my hero's name in vain.
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Re: Freedom of speech - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #17 on: July 02, 2025, 08:10:PM »
How dare a bone-headed gobby crapper take my hero's name in vain.
HAHA I thought that, but apparently there’s no connection so he says. But the ironic thing about it, Bob Dylan is Jewish.

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Re: Freedom of speech - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #18 on: July 04, 2025, 09:06:AM »
there going to to turn an obscure punk act who nobody had even heard of into megastars

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Re: Freedom of speech - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #19 on: July 05, 2025, 10:00:PM »
An organisation IDF, has conscription laws, requires that all citizens of Israel, except those who qualify for the exemptions from service, to service in the various branches of the IDF. Section 2 defines the age appropriate for conscription, and set it at 18–29 years of age for men, and 18–26 for women, based on the Hebrew calendar. However, recruitment may begin at age 17 if the parents or guardians of the recruit allow it.

So the Vylan is singing or shouting the equivalent to calling for the death of every single Israeli Jew' due to conscription laws by repeatedly saying DEATH DEATH to the IDF.
     The whole controversy around Bob Vylan and Lucy Connelly is manufactured and deliberately stoked to further clamp down on free speech and expression in my opinion, HB. It also distracts from the much wider agenda of authoritarian censorship and, not accidentally, gives more impetus to further restrictions. It should be possible to support Bob Vylan's right to free speech as well as opposing the Lucy Connelly sentencing whether you agree with their sentiments or not.
     People are free to believe that Bob Vylan's "Death to the IDF" chant crosses some sort of undefined line but their belief should not be imposed upon everyone else. Likewise with Lucy Connelly. The IDF, conscripts or not, are free to refuse illegal orders and in fact many have. The notion of "only following orders" somehow making them exempt from their crimes is a long ago discredited defence. Would, "Death, Death to the Waffen SS" have been unacceptable in early 1945? Should sharing and repeating of the sentiment of the tweet linked below lead to prosecution?

 https://x.com/DrLoupis__/status/1941478774920577295

     Whilst the media and politicians take up sides on the rights of expression based on ideology rather than reason, we shouldn't fall into the same trap. Whatever your political stance and beliefs, free speech is not a left/right issue. Without freedom of speech, there is no freedom of thought; without freedom of thought there is no freedom. Speech should never be policed by government or authoritarian diktat, it should remain policed by us, as it has always been. All of this concocted row has allowed the government to use "Anti terrorism legislation" to proscribe Palestine Action who vandalised a plane belonging to a PFI company tracing back to the Cayman Islands. The plane was being leased to the RAF. It wasn't an exclusive deal, as it was leased to other entities, apart from the RAF. It is now illegal to post support for Palestine Action.
      Lucy Connelly should not have been prosecuted let alone jailed, Bob Vylan should be free to chant Death to the IDF, an organisation that gleefully posts their atrocities on social media and are genociding, by their own admission, the Palestinian population. Palestine Action should not be a proscribed terror group. We should be able to post support for any or all of the above without fear.

     

 
   
     

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Re: Freedom of speech - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2025, 05:58:PM »
     The whole controversy around Bob Vylan and Lucy Connelly is manufactured and deliberately stoked to further clamp down on free speech and expression in my opinion, HB. It also distracts from the much wider agenda of authoritarian censorship and, not accidentally, gives more impetus to further restrictions. It should be possible to support Bob Vylan's right to free speech as well as opposing the Lucy Connelly sentencing whether you agree with their sentiments or not.
     People are free to believe that Bob Vylan's "Death to the IDF" chant crosses some sort of undefined line but their belief should not be imposed upon everyone else. Likewise with Lucy Connelly. The IDF, conscripts or not, are free to refuse illegal orders and in fact many have. The notion of "only following orders" somehow making them exempt from their crimes is a long ago discredited defence. Would, "Death, Death to the Waffen SS" have been unacceptable in early 1945? Should sharing and repeating of the sentiment of the tweet linked below lead to prosecution?

 https://x.com/DrLoupis__/status/1941478774920577295

     Whilst the media and politicians take up sides on the rights of expression based on ideology rather than reason, we shouldn't fall into the same trap. Whatever your political stance and beliefs, free speech is not a left/right issue. Without freedom of speech, there is no freedom of thought; without freedom of thought there is no freedom. Speech should never be policed by government or authoritarian diktat, it should remain policed by us, as it has always been. All of this concocted row has allowed the government to use "Anti terrorism legislation" to proscribe Palestine Action who vandalised a plane belonging to a PFI company tracing back to the Cayman Islands. The plane was being leased to the RAF. It wasn't an exclusive deal, as it was leased to other entities, apart from the RAF. It is now illegal to post support for Palestine Action.
      Lucy Connelly should not have been prosecuted let alone jailed, Bob Vylan should be free to chant Death to the IDF, an organisation that gleefully posts their atrocities on social media and are genociding, by their own admission, the Palestinian population. Palestine Action should not be a proscribed terror group. We should be able to post support for any or all of the above without fear.

     

 
   
     
I can't let you get away with this. It seems freedom of speech to your mind is an absolute. It is not.

I find your comments ironic, given the nature of the Iran regime. I have always frequented the church as a place of sanctuary. It is a solemn place, where I'm in communion with the son of God. It is not designed to disseminate hate from a rabble-rousing crowd. https://youtu.be/XT5jDO6LubA
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Re: Freedom of speech - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #21 on: July 07, 2025, 10:18:PM »
I can't let you get away with this. It seems freedom of speech to your mind is an absolute. It is not.

I find your comments ironic, given the nature of the Iran regime. I have always frequented the church as a place of sanctuary. It is a solemn place, where I'm in communion with the son of God. It is not designed to disseminate hate from a rabble-rousing crowd. https://youtu.be/XT5jDO6LubA

I am not a fan of the clerical regime in Iran.  However, they respect the rights of Christians and Jews in Iran, with many flourishing churches and synagogues and protection for religious minorities under the constitution. There is even a guaranteed seat for a Jewish MP in their assembly.  The Chief Rabbi and the Jewish MP in Iran both recently issued public statements condemning the brutal attacks by Israel. 
 

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Re: Freedom of speech - Israel/Palestine
« Reply #22 on: July 07, 2025, 10:43:PM »
I am not a fan of the clerical regime in Iran.  However, they respect the rights of Christians and Jews in Iran, with many flourishing churches and synagogues and protection for religious minorities under the constitution. There is even a guaranteed seat for a Jewish MP in their assembly.  The Chief Rabbi and the Jewish MP in Iran both recently issued public statements condemning the brutal attacks by Israel.
That may well be true, but the Supreme Leader has called for the eradication of Israel, as if one was excising a tumour. If one believes by bringing about the apocalypse the Shia Messiah will return I'm not sure how Israel is supposed to respond.

Given the history of the Jews I would regard all reassurances by political leaders within the borders of other countries as worthless.