Adam's Claims...

[Cambridgecutie]

Adam claims that it was impossible for DS Jones to fabricate the OUTSIDE of the silencer between 9th Aug and 13th Aug because he required too much knowledge that was unavailable.  Such as?

Adam also claims that DS Jones would not do such a thing at that time based on a 'hunch'.  DS Jones makes it clear in the Sky docu that he suspected JB from the off.  The pathologist also confirmed DS Jones was the only dissenter on 9th Aug. 

The OUTSIDE of the silencer would not be enough to get the case to court let alone a conviction.  DS Jones had to seize the moment and in doing so he created a back up like an insurance policy and was able at a later date to get the ball rolling with JM and the INSIDE of the silencer.

[ILB]

Adam claims that it was impossible for DS Jones to fabricate the OUTSIDE of the silencer between 9th Aug and 13th Aug because he required too much knowledge that was unavailable.  Such as?

Adam also claims that DS Jones would not do such a thing at that time based on a 'hunch'.  DS Jones makes it clear in the Sky docu that he suspected JB from the off.  The pathologist also confirmed DS Jones was the only dissenter on 9th Aug. 

The OUTSIDE of the silencer would not be enough to get the case to court let alone a conviction.  DS Jones had to seize the moment and in doing so he created a back up like an insurance policy and was able at a later date to get the ball rolling with JM and the INSIDE of the silencer.

DS Jones would only entertain such a feat with a monetary incentive.

[Adam]

Stan would need to know -

About back spatter.

How to convincingly put blood into a silencer via  back spatter.

Sheila's arm length.

Rifle length.

Silencer length.

Different positions Sheila could shoot herself in.

Had the police already checked the silencers.

Sheila's blood group.

Who in the small family circle had Sheila's blood group.

Was there already blood in the rifle barrel

Was a silencer found next to Sheila.

Was Sheila able to put the silencer back after her first shot.

Was there evidence Sheila put the silencer back after the first shot - vertical blood lines.

Why would Sheila put the silencer back in the downstairs gun cupboard.

What the kitchen crime scene photos showed

Why would paint end up on the silencer.

Did Bamber say he left the rifle out minus silencer.

Why would he go out to shoot rabbits minus silencer.

How to put a scratch mark on the silencer.

Whose grey hair should they put on the silencer.

Why would Bamber use a silencer.

Why would he put it away after shooting everyone.

Is this one piece of evidence be enough.

Did he need to do this or was other evidence being processed.

What his punishment would be if found to be fabricating evidence.

If found to be fabricating one piece of evidence, would that negate the whole ongoing case.

If found to be fabricating evidence, what could a rich Bamber do to get revenge.

Was he 100% sure Bamber was guilty. If yes, is it too soon to be handing in fabricated evidence.

Was the case still being investigated with an open mind on murder/suicide.

Would the silencer be tested. Or would Taff say 'don't bother'.

Had he put enough blood into the silencer to be tested.

[Adam]

He would need to know this within hours of the massacre.

If deciding to break into WHF & fabricate it prior to hopeing the relatives found it. As CC/Curiosity claimed he did.

[Adam]

CC/Curiosity is now saying the relatives handed SJ a silencer with nothing on.

SJ then decided to fabricate it & asked the relatives to lie in there WS's.

Again SJ would need to find out the above 40 pieces of information instantly as the silencer was quickly passed to experts.

[ILB]

Jones would have too much to lose.

Fitting up a man who had just lost his family. A bereaved grieving man. A middle class soon to be wealthy man.

It's a none starter.

[David1819]

^-^Jones would have too much to lose.

Fitting up a man who had just lost his family. A bereaved grieving man. A middle class soon to be wealthy man.

It's a none starter.

I agree.

[Adam]

The relatives & a rogue officer would not know the 40 pieces of information.

Taff was heading the investigation. So would not authorise a unison fabrication. EP would not involve the relatives.

[Adam]

So ruled out -

The relatives.

A rogue officer.

EP.

[ILB]

Would have to be a substantial monetary incentive.

[David1819]

Would have to be a substantial monetary incentive.

Also how is detective special brew getting round the fact its was those with a substantial monetary incentive who first got their hands on and reported the blood and paint? Not Stan Jones? 

[Cambridgecutie]

DS Jones would only entertain such a feat with a monetary incentive.

Your perception not his. 

You appear to be motivated by money hence considering how much JB might secure if he's ever acquitted. 

[ILB]

Your perception not his. 

You appear to be motivated by money hence considering how much JB might secure if he's ever acquitted.

It is reality CC, you must have lived a sheltered life if you think otherwise. I'm not being disrespectful.

[Cambridgecutie]

Stan would need to know -

About back spatter.

Not for the OUTSIDE.  No one suggested the blood on the outside was caused by back spatter.
The inference with the blood on the OUTSIDE, hair, paint and scratches is that the rifle with silencer came into contact with NB when he sustained a beating thought to have been from the rifle/silencer.

How to convincingly put blood into a silencer via  back spatter.

I am not suggesting DS Jones contaminated the INSIDE just the OUTSIDE.

Sheila's arm length.

Faux pas.  No one suggested SC could not reach the trigger WIHOUT the silencer.  And no one knows her arm length.

Rifle length.

Why would he need to know this?  It was available if needed.

Silencer length.

Ditto above

Different positions Sheila could shoot herself in.

Why would he need to know this to contaminate the OUTSIDE?

Had the police already checked the silencers.

No according to his COLP statement.

Sheila's blood group.

Why would he need this to contaminate the OUTSIDE?

Who in the small family circle had Sheila's blood group.

Irrelevant to the OUTSIDE.

Was there already blood in the rifle barrel

Irrelevant to the OUTSIDE.  Inference being the blood, paint, scratches and hair were from the beating NB sustained in the kitchen

Was a silencer found next to Sheila.

No.  Irrelevant to OUTSIDE

Was Sheila able to put the silencer back after her first shot.

No.  Irrelevant to OUTSIDE

Was there evidence Sheila put the silencer back after the first shot - vertical blood lines.

No.  Irrelevant to OUTSIDE of silencer

Why would Sheila put the silencer back in the downstairs gun cupboard.

She didn't.  Irrelevant to OUTSIDE

What the kitchen crime scene photos showed

Admits he had access to.

Why would paint end up on the silencer.

Kitche Altercation

Did Bamber say he left the rifle out minus silencer.

Yes.

Why would he go out to shoot rabbits minus silencer.

Preferred the fixed iron sights.

How to put a scratch mark on the silencer.

Simple

Whose grey hair should they put on the silencer.

Anyone's pre DNA

Why would Bamber use a silencer.

He didn't

Why would he put it away after shooting everyone.

He didn't

Is this one piece of evidence be enough.

The OUTSIDE wasn't.

Did he need to do this or was other evidence being processed.

He would know.  Irrelevant to the OUTSIDE

What his punishment would be if found to be fabricating evidence.

Experienced officer would know what he could get away with it.  Doubt it was the first or last.

If found to be fabricating one piece of evidence, would that negate the whole ongoing case.

And if he didn't...?

If found to be fabricating evidence, what could a rich Bamber do to get revenge.

You are drifting into lala land

Was he 100% sure Bamber was guilty. If yes, is it too soon to be handing in fabricated evidence.

Yes based on his COLP statement

Was the case still being investigated with an open mind on murder/suicide.

Yes but not so for DS Jones

Would the silencer be tested. Or would Taff say 'don't bother'.

DI Cook was in charge of exhibits

Had he put enough blood into the silencer to be tested.

Just the right amount on the OUTSIDE to show what he wanted ie human blood

[Cambridgecutie]

It is reality CC, you must have lived a sheltered life if you think otherwise. I'm not being disrespectful.

Did you know DS Jones intimately?  I assume not and if I am right you have no idea what motivated him.  Stop pretending otherwise. 

It is you who has led a sheltered life thinking everyone thinks like you do.  They don't.

Consider the people that rigged the VW emissions testing.  What motivated them?  It wasn't money. 

Consider the 9/11 bombers.  What motivated them?  It wasn't money.

Consider kids who encourage other kids to take their own lives online.  What motivated them?  It wasn't money.

People do all sorts of shite for all sorts of reasons.  The fact you can only see £££'s does not make it so for others.