Jeremy Bamber " I was just in the wrong place at the wrong time "

[Steve_uk]

Have you any understanding of 'attachment'?

Are you saying that all adoptees sense a feeling of alienation, which continues long into adulthood? The White House Farm murders may be an extreme case, but there are surely examples of successful adoptions, which we rarely get to hear about.

[Cambridgecutie]

Are you saying that all adoptees sense a feeling of alienation, which continues long into adulthood? The White House Farm murders may be an extreme case, but there are surely examples of successful adoptions, which we rarely get to hear about.

I am saying that adoptees who experienced an adoptive mother who suffered severe depression as a result of her decision to adopt, ie SC, in all likelihood sustained an attachment disorder which has lifelong implications.

[Steve_uk]

I am saying that adoptees who experienced an adoptive mother who suffered severe depression as a result of her decision to adopt, ie SC, in all likelihood sustained an attachment disorder which has lifelong implications.

That's possible, but unlikely to cause schizophrenia, I would have thought. Jeremy also had the double alienation of losing Juliet then being sent away to Norfolk at eight years old.

[Cambridgecutie]

That's possible, but unlikely to cause schizophrenia, I would have thought. Jeremy also had the double alienation of losing Juliet then being sent away to Norfolk at eight years old.

No.  The difference between the two is quite stark:

SC : birth mother, care home, June, carers due to June's severe depression as a result of her decision to adopt resulting in ect and in-patient psychiatric care, June

JB : birth mother, June.

[Steve_uk]

No.  The difference between the two is quite stark:

SC : birth mother, care home, June, carers due to June's severe depression resulting in ect and in-patient psychiatric care, June

JB : birth mother, June.

I don't think there's so much difference really. Don't forget June had a second breakdown when Jeremy was still living at White House Farm. Sheila had moved to London by that point, but admittedly the damage may have been done. Jeremy also had the break-up of his relationship with Suzette to deal with as well as the purported miscarriages, which he may have blamed on his parents.

Sheila also suffered miscarriages, but thereafter had Nicholas and Daniel in her life, at least in the very early years.

[Cambridgecutie]

I don't think there's so much difference really. Don't forget June had a second breakdown when Jeremy was still living at White House Farm. Sheila had moved to London by that point, but admittedly the damage may have been done. Jeremy also had the break-up of his relationship with Suzette to deal with as well as the purported miscarriages, which he may have blamed on his parents.

Sheila also suffered miscarriages, but thereafter had Nicholas and Daniel in her life, at least in the very early years.

The fact you don't think there's much difference is neither here nor there.  All experts in the field would beg to differ.  We do not know how many "breakdowns" June sustained but the one sustained in 1982 was at a time when JB was an adult which is irrelevant in terms of childhood attachment.  The breakdown June sustained in 1959 was at a time when SC was at her most vulnerable for an attachment disorder at the age of 2.  Bearing in mind too SC did not go from her birth mother to June but went into a care home between the two. 

SC's adult life is irrelevant to a childhood attachment disorder.  I would have thought you would know about all of this working in the teaching profession?

[ILB]

Have you any understanding of 'attachment'?

Do I remind you of a cherished boyfriend who jilted you when you was 18?

[ILB]

Have you any understanding of 'attachment'?

Yes.

[ILB]

I come back to the Jubilee photograph (someone may post), where he appears malleable, almost browbeaten one might say, until he rebelled in the late teens as he gained in confidence and physically, though not mentally, matured.

There you go Steve.

[Jane]

The adoption for both children was plain sailing till their early adult years.

I completely believe the comfortable adult childhood JB purports.

Hugely sweeping statements! You're speaking about what is clearly obvious. A financial cushion isn't always an emotional cushion. It simply means that one can be unhappy or a misfit in comfort.........not to mention any strings attached!

[ILB]

Hugely sweeping statements! You're speaking about what is clearly obvious. A financial cushion isn't always an emotional cushion. It simply means that one can be unhappy or a misfit in comfort.........not to mention any strings attached!

No with respect, just your interpretation.

[Cambridgecutie]

Do I remind you of a cherished boyfriend who jilted you when you was 18?

You are as far removed from my type as is possible.

[BarefootDanC]

Brief audio clip https://youtube.com/shorts/9jOj3LwzBP8?si=YwWFZ1WVXBvoWF9W

So according to Jeremy, those three officers hated him and that was their murder for "stitching me up".

[snow66!]

So according to Jeremy, those three officers hated him and that was their murder for "stitching me up".

If he was stitched up, Dan,it was simply because Julie came forward and they needed something tangible [Sheilas blood in silencer] to get the case to trial.
But yes, who knows, their attitude towards JBs life style and their dislike of him may have clouded their judgement about who was telling the truth, ie,. Julie or Jeremy!

[ILB]

So according to Jeremy, those three officers hated him and that was their murder for "stitching me up".

They are JBs words.