Tell me you are conspiract theorist without telling me you are a consp. theorist

[Jane]

With respect ngb1066 I think your timings are a little out.  The posts re Grahame's daughter and the worst of it took place long before Jane or I joined Red. 

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2509.msg77636.html#msg77636

I made a few posts on Red around April 2013 and then started posting there regularly around Oct 2013.  Jane joined some months after this.  By which time a truce had been made by both forums and a lot of material removed.

Thanks for that, Cc. I was beginning to feel as if a load of 'stuff', which didn't belong there, was being dumped on me.

[Hardy Boy]

This is absolutely unbelievable.  You have a very selective memory.  You were posting on red at the time of the worst behaviour.  You were engaging in banter with those responsible for it.  Just one example was the sick attack on Grahame's seriously ill daughter, mocking him by saying she was not really ill but was in fact a crack head prostitute. It was absolutely outrageous and devastating for Grahame.  She has sadly since died.  It was vile, you saw it but said nothing.  It was like the playground with the school bully who attracts others who are basically decent but join in to be accepted and to avoid being picked on themselves.  A minority of two there called it out (Bridget and Joanne).  Blaming Grahame for bringing it upon himself is outrageous and you ought to be ashamed of yourself by suggesting it.  You saw the worst of the abuse from the core gang there.  I can assure you that the police were involved and certain people got very worried.  Trying to suggest it was equivalent on both sides is rubbish.

I rather hope some long standing members here might back me up on this.

I hardly posted when Grahame was here, but I used to read the forum, I agree what Red used to say about Grahame was awful, I used to think why does he stay here, I wouldn’t have put up with it.  I joined Red when Mike outed my email address, I posted on the Murder of Joanna Yeates on Red, I only posted a few times on the Bamber thread, once to Holy about Ladies football and Man Utd, I was really upset by what Mike did and thankfully NGB responded really quickly to remove what Mike posted about me.

What I can remember there was a guy called Tim and he used to have a go at Jackie and Grahame, I must say, I hardly posted on Blue at the time for fear of being targeted. What I couldn’t understand, after all the trouble Jackie had with them, didn’t she rejoin red again or have I got this wrong, Apologies if I have?

[Jane]

I hardly posted when Grahame was here, but I used to read the forum, I agree what Red used to say about Grahame was awful, I used to think why does he stay here, I wouldn’t have put up with it.  I joined Red when Mike outed my email address, I posted on the Murder of Joanna Yeates on Red, I only posted a few times on the Bamber thread, once to Holy about Ladies football and Man Utd, I was really upset by what Mike did and thankfully NGB responded really quickly to remove what Mike posted about me.

What I can remember there was a guy called Tim and he used to have a go at Jackie and Grahame, I must say, I hardly posted on Blue at the time for fear of being targeted. What I couldn’t understand, after all the trouble Jackie had with them, didn’t she rejoin red again or have I got this wrong, Apologies if I have?

Thank-you HB! It seems as if all controversy on Blue is being airbrushed out. It's like we're above such behaviours. We're not. It's happened to you and me, and no doubt, it's happened to others. If you go way back to the early posts, many of those on Red now, were once on here and regularly 'partied' on line with JP. I think there must have been some sort of falling out because suddenly, the partying stopped. So, it seems, did the friendship.

[Hardy Boy]

Thank-you HB! It seems as if all controversy on Blue is being airbrushed out. It's like we're above such behaviours. We're not. It's happened to you and me, and no doubt, it's happened to others. If you go way back to the early posts, many of those on Red now, were once on here and regularly 'partied' on line with JP. I think there must have been some sort of falling out because suddenly, the partying stopped. So, it seems, did the friendship.

Puglove never used to leave him alone, anything Grahame posted it was just met with nasty goading, mainly I think because Grahame stood up to them?  It wasn’t very nice at the time Red was set up to Goad Blue, mainly with posters who had been banned from here?  It did get better as time went on though?

[ngb1066]

With respect ngb1066 I think your timings are a little out.  The posts re Grahame's daughter and the worst of it took place long before Jane or I joined Red. 

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,2509.msg77636.html#msg77636

I made a few posts on Red around April 2013 and then started posting there regularly around Oct 2013.  Jane joined some months after this.  By which time a truce had been made by both forums and a lot of material removed.

I have checked some of the threads which were removed from here years ago.  They provide a contemporary record of all the abuse.  Whilst some of this started in 2012 it continued well into 2014 and in fact some some of the worst was at a late stage.  I have considered reposting the relevant parts as I am quite sure this would shock our newer members, as well as jogging the memories of some of our longer standing members suffering from selective amnesia.  However I will not do that because it will only cause more conflict and would undoubtedly embarrass some members.  Nevertheless I do feel strongly about this and I stand by the strong comments I have made.

 

[Hardy Boy]

Thank-you HB! It seems as if all controversy on Blue is being airbrushed out. It's like we're above such behaviours. We're not. It's happened to you and me, and no doubt, it's happened to others. If you go way back to the early posts, many of those on Red now, were once on here and regularly 'partied' on line with JP. I think there must have been some sort of falling out because suddenly, the partying stopped. So, it seems, did the friendship.

I wasn’t too much in fear on blue, at the time I had strong feelings JB was innocent and I wouldn’t post much for his innocence in case the Red forum took upon attacking me?

[ngb1066]

Thank-you HB! It seems as if all controversy on Blue is being airbrushed out. It's like we're above such behaviours. We're not. It's happened to you and me, and no doubt, it's happened to others. If you go way back to the early posts, many of those on Red now, were once on here and regularly 'partied' on line with JP. I think there must have been some sort of falling out because suddenly, the partying stopped. So, it seems, did the friendship.

That is rubbish.  Are you suggesting that I am airbrushing out controversy here?  Are you seriously suggesting that you have suffered abuse here as serious as that originating from the red forum?  I accept that HB was abused by Mike Tesko and I immediately removed it.  I dealt with other posts by him swiftly.  There is really no valid comparison here.  I will be charitable now and suggest you must have forgotten.  You were certainly aware at the time and were actively posting on the red forum then and never challenged.

[Hardy Boy]

I have checked some of the threads which were removed from here years ago.  They provide a contemporary record of all the abuse.  Whilst some of this started in 2012 it continued well into 2014 and in fact some some of the worst was at a late stage.  I have considered reposting the relevant parts as I am quite sure this would shock our newer members, as well as jogging the memories of some of our longer standing members suffering from selective amnesia.  However I will not do that because it will only cause more conflict and would undoubtedly embarrass some members.  Nevertheless I do feel strongly about this and I stand by the strong comments I have made.

Yes NGB it would be about that period, I can’t remember ever posting with Grahame in that period, I hardly posted until I became RJ, I felt out of my depth, I didn’t know how the forum worked, I never could fathom out how everyone was producing documents, not knowing they were in the Archives, as RJ I studied these statements and documents and became confident to post. 

[Hardy Boy]

That is rubbish.  Are you suggesting that I am airbrushing out controversy here?  Are you seriously suggesting that you have suffered abuse here as serious as that originating from the red forum?  I accept that HB was abused by Mike Tesko and I immediately removed it.  I dealt with other posts by him swiftly.  There is really no valid comparison here.  I will be charitable now and suggest you must have forgotten.  You were certainly aware at the time and were actively posting on the red forum then and never challenged.

I agree NGB and I’m forever in your debt and not just for doing what you did, but also your assistance with me over the last ten years at least, I owe you a million times NGB and I really mean that, the forum would have been a sad place without your presence and input.

[ngb1066]

I agree NGB and I’m forever in your debt and not just for doing what you did, but also your assistance with me over the last ten years at least, I owe you a million times NGB and I really mean that, the forum would have been a sad place without your presence and input.

Thank you for your kind words and support HB.

[Jane]

I have checked some of the threads which were removed from here years ago.  They provide a contemporary record of all the abuse.  Whilst some of this started in 2012 it continued well into 2014 and in fact some some of the worst was at a late stage.  I have considered reposting the relevant parts as I am quite sure this would shock our newer members, as well as jogging the memories of some of our longer standing members suffering from selective amnesia.  However I will not do that because it will only cause more conflict and would undoubtedly embarrass some members.  Nevertheless I do feel strongly about this and I stand by the strong comments I have made.

That is rubbish.  Are you suggesting that I am airbrushing out controversy here?  Are you seriously suggesting that you have suffered abuse here as serious as that originating from the red forum?  I accept that HB was abused by Mike Tesko and I immediately removed it.  I dealt with other posts by him swiftly.  There is really no valid comparison here.  I will be charitable now and suggest you must have forgotten.  You were certainly aware at the time and were actively posting on the red forum then and never challenged.

To the best of my knowledge, Neil, all that happened re Grahame's daughter would have been pre 2012. JP talks about it in April 2012 as already having happened. I didn't join Blue until 2011, so how could I possibly have been a part of those who were talking about it on Red when I didn't join until 2015? No matter, it seems as if much of the responsibility for it is being laid at my door?

Incidentally, I wouldn't want any 'newbies' to believe Grahame was 'sainted'. He had numerous hissy fits, after which he left. I think I'm correct in recalling that, on one occasion, he levied "F****** *****" at a poster. However, I support his right to defend his very poorly daughter.

It's certainly true that I don't know what you know, but under the circumstances, as much of the flak appears to be aimed in my direction, I think it only fair that I know what you know if it includes me. At the very least, I believe I should be given the opportunity to apologize for my alleged memory lapses -perfectly possible- and that I didn't challenge what was done prior to my joining. Such, until I know what I'm alleged to be guilty of, can't be achieved.

[Cambridgecutie]

To the best of my knowledge, Neil, all that happened re Grahame's daughter would have been pre 2012. JP talks about it in April 2012 as already having happened. I didn't join Blue until 2011, so how could I possibly have been a part of those who were talking about it on Red when I didn't join until 2015? No matter, it seems as if much of the responsibility for it is being laid at my door?

Incidentally, I wouldn't want any 'newbies' to believe Grahame was 'sainted'. He had numerous hissy fits, after which he left. I think I'm correct in recalling that, on one occasion, he levied "F****** *****" at a poster. However, I support his right to defend his very poorly daughter.

It's certainly true that I don't know what you know, but under the circumstances, as much of the flak appears to be aimed in my direction, I think it only fair that I know what you know if it includes me. At the very least, I believe I should be given the opportunity to apologize for my alleged memory lapses -perfectly possible- and that I didn't challenge what was done prior to my joining. Such, until I know what I'm alleged to be guilty of, can't be achieved.

I joined this forum in Feb 2012 and I thought you joined afterwards as 'April'?  Maybe around April time?

I think a lot of the conflict went on before the likes of us joined ie 2011 when the case was getting press coverage due to the CCRC submission. 

[Cambridgecutie]

To the best of my knowledge, Neil, all that happened re Grahame's daughter would have been pre 2012. JP talks about it in April 2012 as already having happened. I didn't join Blue until 2011, so how could I possibly have been a part of those who were talking about it on Red when I didn't join until 2015? No matter, it seems as if much of the responsibility for it is being laid at my door?

Incidentally, I wouldn't want any 'newbies' to believe Grahame was 'sainted'. He had numerous hissy fits, after which he left. I think I'm correct in recalling that, on one occasion, he levied "F****** *****" at a poster. However, I support his right to defend his very poorly daughter.

It's certainly true that I don't know what you know, but under the circumstances, as much of the flak appears to be aimed in my direction, I think it only fair that I know what you know if it includes me. At the very least, I believe I should be given the opportunity to apologize for my alleged memory lapses -perfectly possible- and that I didn't challenge what was done prior to my joining. Such, until I know what I'm alleged to be guilty of, can't be achieved.

You joined Red 29th September 2014.  I joined 20th March 2013.

[David1819]

This is absolutely unbelievable.  You have a very selective memory.  You were posting on red at the time of the worst behaviour.  You were engaging in banter with those responsible for it.  Just one example was the sick attack on Grahame's seriously ill daughter, mocking him by saying she was not really ill but was in fact a crack head prostitute. It was absolutely outrageous and devastating for Grahame.  She has sadly since died.  It was vile, you saw it but said nothing.  It was like the playground with the school bully who attracts others who are basically decent but join in to be accepted and to avoid being picked on themselves.  A minority of two there called it out (Bridget and Joanne).  Blaming Grahame for bringing it upon himself is outrageous and you ought to be ashamed of yourself by suggesting it.  You saw the worst of the abuse from the core gang there.  I can assure you that the police were involved and certain people got very worried.  Trying to suggest it was equivalent on both sides is rubbish.

I rather hope some long standing members here might back me up on this.

Why did Puglove do that exactly? 

[Adam]

Its the blood evidence that needs undermining.

Sheila's nightdress is very damaging -

No GSR.

No damage.

No oil.

No dirt.

No powder.

Only her blood on it.

No vertical blood trails showing she did not walk around after the first shot.

Legs pulled after the second shot.

It is her sleeping attire suggesting she went to bed.

It is her sleeping attire suggesting she was woken from sleeping.

It is her sleeping attire. Suggesting she did not do ritualistic washing & change into better clothes prior to being found. As suggested suicides do.

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But appreciate he has focused on the silencer since the 90's as the relatives found it.