Tell me you are conspiract theorist without telling me you are a consp. theorist

[Jane]

I objected to "Puglove" (I could name her but I will not at this point even though I am tempted) because she is pure scum.  She has no idea about my hairstyle - only David has had the privilege of meeting me! I have a full head of hair! I think he will confirm that Puglove's drunken rantings on this were completely wide of the mark.  Myster was certainly part of a sock puppet duo.  I am afraid I know a lot more about the characters associated with that forum than you do.

Very clearly, you experienced a very different "Puglove" to the one I experienced, NGB. She was nothing but pleasant and courteous in my exchanges with her, both on line and by PM. As for "Myster"? I was in contact with him, by phone, for quite some time. I have no idea what is meant by "a sock puppet duo" so I can't comment. However, there was once a poster on here who not only threatened to have my qualifications revoked, but also with the police, and visits from her 'friends' who knew where I lived! Back then, I was too much of a novice to know such wasn't possible. I'm inclined to take, with a pinch -a ton!- of salt, claims made about receiving takeaways courtesy of another forum. How would any of them, unless she'd made a point of telling them her address or invited those local to her round for drinks, know where she lived?

[BarefootDanC]

I wouldn't say meeting up with Chris Bews and visiting Tolleshunt D'Arcy is exactly in depth research.

I've met Michael Turner KC and I once walked passed Chelmsford crown court. By this guys benchmark i'm an authority on the subject. 

The point is, Andy Rigsby was being accused of lying and was ganged up against.

[Roch]

The latest CCRC headline is the latest in a long line of bad press that are continually ignored by many interested parties in this case.

[Cambridgecutie]

The latest CCRC headline is the latest in a long line of bad press that are continually ignored by many interested parties in this case.

No one is saying the organisation is a beacon for efficiency but its irrelevant in terms of JB's case because nothing has been submitted that meets the CPS criteria for a successful acquittal let alone a referral to CoA. 

In 2001 material was submitted that potentially met the CPS criteria for a successful acquittal hence it was referred to CoA.

[Jane]

The point is, Andy Rigsby was being accused of lying and was ganged up against.

I'm guess that the reason he was "ganged up against" was due to those who were lying through their teeth, possibly lead by a firearms 'expert' and a 'mental nurse'? being fully aware AR was telling the truth and needing to discredit him, to which end they set about inciting their sychophants.

[Roch]

No one is saying the organisation is a beacon for efficiency but its irrelevant in terms of JB's case because nothing has been submitted that meets the CPS criteria for a successful acquittal let alone a referral to CoA. 

In 2001 material was submitted that potentially met the CPS criteria for a successful acquittal hence it was referred to CoA.

Many, including yourself, use it as a bench marker for the veracity and/relevance of JB's submissions. It's either fit for purpose or the criticisms are correct. I repeat, the criticisms in CCRC Watch pre-date the criticisms of Henley. But both match up.

[Cambridgecutie]

Many, including yourself, use it as a bench marker for the veracity and/relevance of JB's submissions. It's either fit for purpose or the criticisms are correct. I repeat, the criticisms in CCRC Watch pre-date the criticisms of Henley. But both match up.

Its irrelevant in terms of JB's case.

[David1819]

The point is, Andy Rigsby was being accused of lying and was ganged up against.

Well its Facebook. Happens all the time.

[Roch]

Its irrelevant in terms of JB's case.

So you claim. But the criticisms match.  Yesterday you claimed it's not the CCRC's job to investigate. Which is in direct contradiction to their own explanation of what they do.

[ngb1066]

Very clearly, you experienced a very different "Puglove" to the one I experienced, NGB. She was nothing but pleasant and courteous in my exchanges with her, both on line and by PM. As for "Myster"? I was in contact with him, by phone, for quite some time. I have no idea what is meant by "a sock puppet duo" so I can't comment. However, there was once a poster on here who not only threatened to have my qualifications revoked, but also with the police, and visits from her 'friends' who knew where I lived! Back then, I was too much of a novice to know such wasn't possible. I'm inclined to take, with a pinch -a ton!- of salt, claims made about receiving takeaways courtesy of another forum. How would any of them, unless she'd made a point of telling them her address or invited those local to her round for drinks, know where she lived?

You are completely whitewashing what happened.  You were aware of the filth and you chose to look the other way.  I called you out on it at the time.  I can assure you that the reports to the police were real and some action was taken.  You can scoff all you like but I have inside knowledge of this.  I am obviously pleased for you that you found congenial the vile Puglove (or Pugugly as I recall you calling her privately before you joined that forum).  However, she was at serious risk of prosecution.

I have no sense of humour on this and only call it out now because there are members here who did not experience the horror of what went on and I do not want them to be lulled into believing there was only a bit of harmless banter  Around six members here were subjected to the most vile abuse.  Some here rallied to defend them, risking attacks themselves.  Others chose to look the other way, preferring to keep in the good books of the abusers.  You remember the filthy attacks on Grahame's daughter don't you Jane?  Did you call them out on it?

   

[ngb1066]

Sure, in this Facebook group: https://www.facebook.com/groups/585553595576667/

A good example is this post by Andy Rigsby on the 14th February 2024. As Andy Rigsby has written articles about Jeremy Bamber and written to him, you will note how two Bamber supporters felt the need to discredit him personally and accuse him of lying etc.

If you scroll down, Mary claims to have spoken to Jeremy who "used up his allowance" to check confirming to her that he had never corresponded with Andy Rigsby, then Andy Risby posted an excerpt from a letter as proof!

Notice him accuse many other guilters of "gaslighting"

I have see some of that material.  It is really dreadful and supporters like this do nothing but harm to JB's case in my view.  I have raised it but nothing is done to curb it.  Good people have been driven away.

[ngb1066]

Jeremy must get very frustrated if he receives bollocks like this in correspondance while trying to clear his name. In more ways than one.

I totally agree.  This has happened over a long period, with disastrous results.

[ngb1066]

But I didn't join here until Feb 2012.  I thought a lot of it went on before then?  I know Jackie claimed she had an Indian takeaway delivered to her home address courtesy of the Red forum.

I had no knowledge of police involvement.  If I remember correctly I was appointed a mod during 2014.  I removed about 2/3 posts which involved your personal life but other than this all I saw was what I regarded as banter which was certainly no worse than what I sustain here from the likes of David.   

Not convinced about Myster.  We exchanged a number of pm's and emails on the basis he was 'Myster' with an authentic first name that begins with P.  He seemed like the perfect gent to me.

You were here and then on the red forum when the worst of this happened.  You know very well that much of it was way beyond banter and some of it was criminal.  You have mentioned Bridget - she was an active guilter on the red forum and was utterly disgusted by posts.  She called them out on it and left.  What you have received from David is nothing compared to the material I know you saw repeatedly.  In any event, David's posts were dealt with by the mods.

Myster had two identities on the red forum.  At one time there were a host of duplicate identities.  As a mod there I suspect you have some knowledge of this.



 

[ngb1066]

How would you know its not true unless you had a little tug at his 'hair' to determine its not in fact a wig 

Of course at one time I did wear a wig every day for work.  However it was a very distinctive horsehair one and I was not wearing it when I met David!

[ngb1066]

Well its Facebook. Happens all the time.

It does, which is why I generally avoid Facebook.