Fabrication Of The Outside Of The Silencer - Pre or Post Relatives Finding?

[Cambridgecutie]

This thread belongs to the outside not the inside!  Thank you in anticipation.

For those of us that believe the silencer is a hoax.  Did DS Jones fabricate it before the relatives found it or afterwards? 

DS Jones had the opportunity to enter WHF on 9th Aug after EP released if from a soc.  DS Jones was around late noon.  He showed the Eatons around with DCI Jones.  He also showed the Eatons how to use the newly fitted alarm.  Did he slip back in later and carry out the deed to prove a point/play 'God'?  Allowing the relatives to find it the following morning? 

OR

More likely imo...die he contaminate it after he collected it from the Eatons at Oak Farm on 12th August having hatched a plan with PE, whilst he drank whisky into the small hours, probably with the promise of a cash incentive? 

 

[snow66!]

This thread belongs to the outside not the inside!  Thank you in anticipation.

For those of us that believe the silencer is a hoax.  Did DS Jones fabricate it before the relatives found it or afterwards? 

DS Jones had the opportunity to enter WHF on 9th Aug after EP released if from a soc.  DS Jones was around late noon.  He showed the Eatons around with DCI Jones.  He also showed the Eatons how to use the newly fitted alarm.  Did he slip back in later and carry out the deed to prove a point/play 'God'?  Allowing the relatives to find it the following morning? 

OR

More likely imo...die he contaminate it after he collected it from the Eatons at Oak Farm on 12th August having hatched a plan with PE, whilst he drank whisky into the small hours, probably with the promise of a cash incentive?

This will take a bit of thought, Cutie!

[snow66!]

This thread belongs to the outside not the inside!  Thank you in anticipation.

For those of us that believe the silencer is a hoax.  Did DS Jones fabricate it before the relatives found it or afterwards? 

DS Jones had the opportunity to enter WHF on 9th Aug after EP released if from a soc.  DS Jones was around late noon.  He showed the Eatons around with DCI Jones.  He also showed the Eatons how to use the newly fitted alarm.  Did he slip back in later and carry out the deed to prove a point/play 'God'?  Allowing the relatives to find it the following morning? 

OR

More likely imo...die he contaminate it after he collected it from the Eatons at Oak Farm on 12th August having hatched a plan with PE, whilst he drank whisky into the small hours, probably with the promise of a cash incentive?

When do you think Stan was aware that the silencer was in the gun cupboard, Cutie?
Or do you think Stan found it lying beside Sheila on the 7th and held onto it, before putting it in the gun cupboard himself for the rellies to find?

[snow66!]

Or do you think the silencer was missed by the police on the 7th, but then contaminated by Stan once the rellies handed it over?
ie., the silencer was in the cupboard the whole time and was not on the rifle,but was contaminated after the rellies found it and handed it over to Stan? If that makes sense!

[snow66!]

I suppose what I am asking is, just when did Stan become aware of the existence of a/the silencer?
Indeed its a strange carry on indeed as we have discussed before!
JB was certainly asked about the silencer for the Anschutz on the 7th or 8th of Aug, yet the police deny they had one in their possession until 12th Aug or thereabouts.
Was it Anthony Pargetter who alerted the police as to the existence of a silencer when he appeared, and if so, why didn't the police go to the farm and collect it?
Very odd, very odd indeed if they didn't already have a silencer in their possession of course!
Yes, you are certainly right about one thing, Cutie, the silencer evidence seems dodgy, no matter how you look at it!

[ILB]

This thread belongs to the outside not the inside!  Thank you in anticipation.

For those of us that believe the silencer is a hoax.  Did DS Jones fabricate it before the relatives found it or afterwards? 

DS Jones had the opportunity to enter WHF on 9th Aug after EP released if from a soc.  DS Jones was around late noon.  He showed the Eatons around with DCI Jones.  He also showed the Eatons how to use the newly fitted alarm.  Did he slip back in later and carry out the deed to prove a point/play 'God'?  Allowing the relatives to find it the following morning? 

OR

More likely imo...die he contaminate it after he collected it from the Eatons at Oak Farm on 12th August having hatched a plan with PE, whilst he drank whisky into the small hours, probably with the promise of a cash incentive?

Must have been a big cash incentive.

[ILB]

How would the relatives know Shelias blood group if doing a plant?

[Rob_]

This thread belongs to the outside not the inside!  Thank you in anticipation.

For those of us that believe the silencer is a hoax.  Did DS Jones fabricate it before the relatives found it or afterwards? 

DS Jones had the opportunity to enter WHF on 9th Aug after EP released if from a soc.  DS Jones was around late noon.  He showed the Eatons around with DCI Jones.  He also showed the Eatons how to use the newly fitted alarm.  Did he slip back in later and carry out the deed to prove a point/play 'God'?  Allowing the relatives to find it the following morning? 

OR

More likely imo...die he contaminate it after he collected it from the Eatons at Oak Farm on 12th August having hatched a plan with PE, whilst he drank whisky into the small hours, probably with the promise of a cash incentive?

Well DB in his statement of 12/09/85 says he saw what he thought was blood and paint on the silencer when he found it in the den.

So if SJ fabricated the evidence he had to do this before putting the silencer in the cupboard for the relatives to find. This is assuming DB is being truthful in his statement as at trial he says it was at AE's house when he saw the blood / paint?

If SJ fabricates the evidence I don't see any need to bring the lab into it? except getting them to turn a blind eye for honorable reasons that they had examined two silencers.

[Adam]

Well DB in his statement of 12/09/85 says he saw what he thought was blood and paint on the silencer when he found it in the den.

So if SJ fabricated the evidence he had to do this before putting the silencer in the cupboard for the relatives to find. This is assuming DB is being truthful in his statement as at trial he says it was at AE's house when he saw the blood / paint?

If SJ fabricates the evidence I don't see any need to bring the lab into it? except getting them to turn a blind eye for honorable reasons that they had examined two silencers.

Telling porkies again Rob.

No evidence SJ fabricated the silencer.

[Hardy Boy]

Telling porkies again Rob.

No evidence SJ fabricated the silencer.

He wanted to play God and took a bung from PE so Cutie says?

[ILB]

Telling porkies again Rob.

No evidence SJ fabricated the silencer.

Of course there isn't even if he did, he's hardly going to log it!

For clarity, I don't believe he did.

[Cambridgecutie]

He wanted to play God and took a bung from PE so Cutie says?

What was the purpose of his extended stay at Oak Farm when the objective of the visit was to collect an exhibit that went on to become central to the prosecution case involving 5 murders?  The fact he sat drinking whisky with PE until the small hours raises more questions than answers!!!!!!!!!!

He was there to pick up an exhibit.  Why not take an exhibit bag?  Why not take statements from the witnesses who claim to have found the exhibit?

[ILB]

What was the purpose of his extended stay at Oak Farm when the objective of the visit was to collect an exhibit that went on to become central to the prosecution case involving 5 murders?  The fact he sat drinking whisky with PE until the small hours raises more questions than answers!!!!!!!!!!

He was there to pick up an exhibit.  Why not take an exhibit bag?  Why not take statements from the witnesses who claim to have found the exhibit?

Was he actually on the clock or off?