The AGA burns revisited.

[Hardy Boy]

Do you think that was Bambers plan all along HB, to use the silencer then put it back in the cupboatd?

Do you think it was Sheila’s plan all along Snow, to use the silencer then put it back inside the cupboard?  Why would she try to hide the fact she had used it?

[Hardy Boy]

It wasn't hidden.  WHF firearms and all the paraphernalia were kept in the downstairs office/den and in particular the cupboard under the stairs.

I know exactly where it was found and I know all about the gun cupboard underneath the stairs, it was a cupboard about 4’feet tall tapering down to about 8inches at the far end due to the stairs, it was  4’6 inches in length and 3’ in depth.  The silencer was found at the far right of the cupboard against the back wall.  So in my view, I think it was hidden, and in your view, it was Stan who  climbed through the WHF window and cut his finger and placed his own blood on the silencer and put it at the back of the gun cupboard ready for the relatives to find, do you think he managed to secure the window on his exit or did he just leave it unlocked?   

[Cambridgecutie]

I know exactly where it was found and I know all about the gun cupboard underneath the stairs, it was a cupboard about 4’feet tall tapering down to about 8inches at the far end due to the stairs, it was  4’6 inches in length and 3’ in depth.  The silencer was found at the far right of the cupboard against the back wall.  So in my view, I think it was hidden, and in your view, it was Stan who  climbed through the WHF window and cut his finger and placed his own blood on the silencer and put it at the back of the gun cupboard ready for the relatives to find, do you think he managed to secure the window on his exit or did he just leave it unlocked?

You do not know exactly where the silencer was found.  We only have DB's account.  No one has ever suggested it was hidden

If such a scenario presented he would simply have walked out one of the exterior doors closing it behind him.  Why would he need to exit via a window? 

Either DS Jones contaminated the silencer pre relatives finding it.  Or the relatives lied about its found state and DS Jones contaminated the silencer after collecting it from Oak Farm having sat drinking whisky with PE until the small hours. 

[Hardy Boy]

You do not know exactly where the silencer was found.  We only have DB's account.  No one has ever suggested it was hidden

If such a scenario presented he would simply have walked out one of the exterior doors closing it behind him.  Why would he need to exit via a window? 

Either DS Jones contaminated the silencer pre relatives finding it.  Or the relatives lied about its found state and DS Jones contaminated the silencer after collecting it from Oak Farm having sat drinking whisky with PE until the small hours.

And you don’t know that DS Jones contaminated the silencer,  we only have your word for this.

[Hardy Boy]

You do not know exactly where the silencer was found.  We only have DB's account.  No one has ever suggested it was hidden

If such a scenario presented he would simply have walked out one of the exterior doors closing it behind him.  Why would he need to exit via a window? 

Either DS Jones contaminated the silencer pre relatives finding it.  Or the relatives lied about its found state and DS Jones contaminated the silencer after collecting it from Oak Farm having sat drinking whisky with PE until the small hours.

We don’t only have DBs word, Recovery of the sound moderator 73. On 10 August 1985 members of the family, who were far from convinced that Sheila Caffell had been responsible for the killings, went to White House Farm with the executor of the estate, Basil Cock. During the afternoon David Boutflour found the sound moderator together with the telescopic sights for the murder weapon at the back of the gun cupboard in the downstairs office. His father, his sister Ann Eaton, the executor and the farm secretary all witnessed the recovery.

[Cambridgecutie]

We don’t only have DBs word, Recovery of the sound moderator 73. On 10 August 1985 members of the family, who were far from convinced that Sheila Caffell had been responsible for the killings, went to White House Farm with the executor of the estate, Basil Cock. During the afternoon David Boutflour found the sound moderator together with the telescopic sights for the murder weapon at the back of the gun cupboard in the downstairs office. His father, his sister Ann Eaton, the executor and the farm secretary all witnessed the recovery.

But that's not what their individual witness statements say about about the recovery.

[Hardy Boy]

But that's not what their individual witness statements say about about the recovery.

Have you got all their witness statements?

[Cambridgecutie]

Have you got all their witness statements?

Well DB's court testimony states he could not be sure whether AE and RB were present when he claims he found the silencer but no mention of BC and BW. 

[Cambridgecutie]

Well DB's court testimony states he could not be sure whether AE and RB were present when he claims he found the silencer but no mention of BC and BW.

Sheet 46 AE claims she was present when DB found the silencer but no mention of anyone else:

https://jeremybamberforum.co.uk/index.php/topic,4226.0.html

[Hardy Boy]

Well DB's court testimony states he could not be sure whether AE and RB were present when he claims he found the silencer but no mention of BC and BW.

Im not saying they was all in the cupboard together, impossible, but BW said he was there and he looked inside as his son was on the ground and AE was to his left, when his son came out of the cupboard with it and said look what I’ve found.  BW and BC both made previous witness statements to the ones on here, I’m not saying they mention witnessing the finding of the silencer, but the COA says they did?  If they didn’t, someone is lying.

[Hardy Boy]

Im not saying they was all in the cupboard together, impossible, but BW said he was there and he looked inside as his son was on the ground and AE was to his left, when his son came out of the cupboard with it and said look what I’ve found.  BW and BC both made previous witness statements to the ones on here, I’m not saying they mention witnessing the finding of the silencer, but the COA says they did?  If they didn’t, someone is lying.

Sorry should be RWB not BW this phone 😂😂

[Cambridgecutie]

Im not saying they was all in the cupboard together, impossible, but BW said he was there and he looked inside as his son was on the ground and AE was to his left, when his son came out of the cupboard with it and said look what I’ve found.  BW and BC both made previous witness statements to the ones on here, I’m not saying they mention witnessing the finding of the silencer, but the COA says they did?  If they didn’t, someone is lying.

Well here RB states he and AE were present when it was found.  Not sure why they would be?  Until the silencer was found with the incriminating evidence (or not, depending on when DS Jones contaminated it) it was just a cupboard.  Why would they all be hovering around in eager anticipation 

[Cambridgecutie]

Sorry should be RWB not BW this phone 😂😂

But think about it...its a big farmhouse.  BC is the executor/accountant concerned with valuing the estate and gathering items of value.  They are all busy with various tasks.  AE looking for clues    etc, etc.  Why are they all going to be anywhere near the gun cupboard at the Eureka moment?

[Hardy Boy]

Well here RB states he and AE were present when it was found.  Not sure why they would be?  Until the silencer was found with the incriminating evidence (or not, depending on when DS Jones contaminated it) it was just a cupboard.  Why would they all be hovering around in eager anticipation 

Well, DB said they were all in the den/office and was joined by Basil cock and he (DB) was searching the gun cupboard?

[Hardy Boy]

But think about it...its a big farmhouse.  BC is the executor/accountant concerned with valuing the estate and gathering items of value.  They are all busy with various tasks.  AE looking for clues    etc, etc.  Why are they all going to be anywhere near the gun cupboard at the Eureka moment?

He probably was in and out, overseeing the relatives emptying the cupboard?   It’s his job to oversee such if he’s the executor especially giving them permission?