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Re: Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981
« Reply #15 on: April 15, 2025, 12:36:PM »
Familiarity of the route?

The videos show it won't take 8.5 minutes per mile. People can run a mile in under 4 minutes.

Wilkinson would be cycling at his own pace. Taking notes on the terrain & checking his pedometer 

Agree with Bamber it would take around 15 minutes.

He will have recorded the journey time via stopwatch. Stopping the time when making notes. No point replicating a journey with an overall different time than it would take the suspect to have done so. Won't get a clear timing picture.
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Re: Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981
« Reply #16 on: April 15, 2025, 12:39:PM »
Appreciate you will continue with 'it would be dark'. There is now nothing else.

That would not deter Bamber for the potential rewards.

He knew the route and there was enough ambient light in an open area. It is 4.2 miles not 42.

The bike arriving two days earlier.

Well visibility is a key thing..........

Bamber is saying he didn't know the route.

He grew up in tollshunt D'Arcy and went to greshams at 8 years of age in Norfolk, back in the school holidays, then going abroad and moving to GH in 1984.

He may have walked Brambles on the backs.

Doubt he cycled to WHF via the sea wall. He could drive.
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Re: Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2025, 12:39:PM »
He will have recorded the journey time via stopwatch. Stopping the time when making notes. No point replicating a journey with an overall different time than it would take the suspect to have done so. Won't get a clear timing picture.

Going by the 3 videos & multiple other sources, it won't take 35 minutes to cycle 4.2 miles.

The terrain is good & flat.
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Re: Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981
« Reply #18 on: April 15, 2025, 12:42:PM »
Well visibility is a key thing..........

Bamber is saying he didn't know the route.

He grew up in tollshunt D'Arcy and went to greshams at 8 years of age in Norfolk, back in the school holidays, then going abroad and moving to GH in 1984.

He may have walked Brambles on the backs.

Doubt he cycled to WHF via the sea wall. He could drive.

He didn't say he didn't know the route at trial. But appreciate he will feed his supporters this now.

There are no obstacles on the cycle paths. Except a park bench.
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Re: Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981
« Reply #19 on: April 15, 2025, 02:34:PM »
He didn't say he didn't know the route at trial.

He was never asked about the route at trial.
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Re: Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981
« Reply #20 on: April 15, 2025, 02:41:PM »
He was never asked about the route at trial.

He should have told his defence to ask him if he didn't know the way.
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Re: Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2025, 05:30:PM »
He should have told his defence to ask him if he didn't know the way.

145. The prosecution case at trial was that the appellant, motivated by hatred and greed, had planned and carried out the killings. Having left White House Farm at about 10 p.m. on Tuesday 6 August 1985 he had retured by bicycle (taking a route which avoided the main roads) in the early hours of the following morning.


The defences sole response to transportation

iii) Nobody had seen the appellant cycling to and from the farm in the early hours of 7 August 1985
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Re: Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2025, 05:33:PM »
To me I don't believe attacking the sea wall route would do much justice. Even by highlighting its impracticalties.

EP tested all the routes. Bamber had access to a bike, he could walk, and he owned a car.  Wilkinson drove the route so it must have been suspected at one point by officer(s) in the 2nd investigation that driving was a viable option.

500 people were interviewed in the locality and not one person saw Jeremy Bamber, which to me is why the sea wall was settled on. Although it termed in court " as a route that avoids the back roads"

It was a small sleepy hamlet, Not Sheffield parkway on a Friday afternoon.

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Re: Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2025, 05:43:PM »
Wilkinson says he walked it in 70 minutes and cycled it in 35 minutes. ( round trip on 1 hour ten) albeit in the daytime.
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Re: Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2025, 05:46:PM »
145. The prosecution case at trial was that the appellant, motivated by hatred and greed, had planned and carried out the killings. Having left White House Farm at about 10 p.m. on Tuesday 6 August 1985 he had retured by bicycle (taking a route which avoided the main roads) in the early hours of the following morning.


The defences sole response to transportation

iii) Nobody had seen the appellant cycling to and from the farm in the early hours of 7 August 1985


If he didn't know the way he should have told his defence team.

He can then testify this at trial.
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Re: Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2025, 05:48:PM »
To me I don't believe attacking the sea wall route would do much justice. Even by highlighting its impracticalties.

EP tested all the routes. Bamber had access to a bike, he could walk, and he owned a car.  Wilkinson drove the route so it must have been suspected at one point by officer(s) in the 2nd investigation that driving was a viable option.

500 people were interviewed in the locality and not one person saw Jeremy Bamber, which to me is why the sea wall was settled on. Although it termed in court " as a route that avoids the back roads"

It was a small sleepy hamlet, Not Sheffield parkway on a Friday afternoon.

Wilkinson drove what route?

There are no impracticalities. As my 3 videos yesterday show.

There is even a park bench.
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Re: Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2025, 05:50:PM »
Wilkinson says he walked it in 70 minutes and cycled it in 35 minutes. ( round trip on 1 hour ten) albeit in the daytime.

He would cycle more than 50% quicker than walking.

My latest 3 videos reaffirms the terrain was good and flat.
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Re: Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2025, 05:51:PM »
Wilkinson drove what route?

There are no impracticalities. As my 3 videos yesterday show.

There is even a park bench.

Read his WS,

He explored all routes between WHF and Head street.

Via car, bike and walking.

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Re: Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2025, 05:52:PM »
He would cycle more than 50% quicker than walking.

My latest 3 videos reaffirms the terrain was good and flat.

You do realise Bamber is supposed to have made the journey in the early hours of the morning. Without any natural lighting or artificial lighting?

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Re: Short video on goldhanger, sea wall chequers 1981
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2025, 05:54:PM »
To walk a mile - 15-22 minutes.

To cycle a mile - 4-6 minutes.

Source available upon request.
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