The timing of Jeremy's call to Julie Mugford

[Adam]

The time wrong for which call, Adam?

Nevill's call to him.

[Steve_uk]

You can plan beforehand, but once the Police are involved you don’t know how it’s going to end.  He hadn’t got a clue how/when he would see Julie again after.

The weak point in Jeremy's diabolical plan was having to feign a call from Nevill. It would have been more believable to outsiders had Julie spent the night with him at Bourtree Cottage and vouched for the call. The fact that she was in London and by all accounts in no fit state to receive a telephone call counts in her favour.

[ILB]

The weak point in Jeremy's diabolical plan was having to feign a call from Nevill. It would have been more believable to outsiders had Julie spent the night with him at Bourtree Cottage and vouched for the call. The fact that she was in London and by all accounts in no fit state to receive a telephone call counts in her favour.

I agree totally that had she spent the night at bourtree she would have been perfect for an alibi.

[snow66!]

Because she was in with it and he wanted to pre warn her in case the police questioned her before he had time to, he didn’t know how it would pan out once he had involved the Police.

What did JB want to warn Julie about that couldn't have been discussed/planned in the ten o'clock call, HB?
This was a long call I believe, something like twenty minutes.
If JB had really decided to kill his family that night, then that was the time to tell Julie that he was deadly serious and get their stories straight surely!
No ambiguous rubbish like tonights the night and nothing else.
And if Julie is telling the truth, nothing of any importance was said in the 3.15-30 call anyway!

[snow66!]

To rope her in as an accessory and try to keep her onside.

Thanks Steve!

[Steve_uk]

What did JB want to warn Julie about that couldn't have been discussed/planned in the ten o'clock call, HB?

That's a good point snow66! I always thought the plan was hypothetical right until the last moment. Maybe the programme on miscarriages tipped the balance as he reflected on the way Suzette had been treated, combined with his jealousy of the twins and how they were feted by Nevill and June. As he told Julie: "The way they have treated me..they have forfeited the right to live."

[snow66!]

Nevill's call to him.

So that would mean that JB would have to admit that Nevill called before 3.00 and it took half an hour before he called the police then, Adam?
Pretty dumb mistake to make phoning Julie twenty five minutes before he called the police then??
Didn't he realize this would cause a massive problem later on??

[Adam]

So that would mean that JB would have to admit that Nevill called before 3.00 and it took half an hour before he called the police then, Adam?
Pretty dumb mistake to make phoning Julie twenty five minutes before he called the police then??
Didn't he realize this would cause a massive problem later on??

Yes that would incriminate him more.

But two people said the call was 3.00am.

Suspect he was back at GH for around 30 minutes before phoning Chelmsford police.

Showered, changed, washed clothes, ate, rang Julie.

[ILB]

Yes that would incriminate him more.

But two people said the call was 3.00am.

Suspect he was back at GH for around 30 minutes before phoning Chelmsford police.

Showered, changed, washed clothes, ate, rang Julie.

Well one person said the call was at 2am. Until she altered her statement.

The other said 3.15am, because she was " nervous " she told the star prosecution witness it was 3.12am

This is something " she sometimes did "

A copper apprently did a " check " on a clock.

[Hardy Boy]

What did JB want to warn Julie about that couldn't have been discussed/planned in the ten o'clock call, HB?
This was a long call I believe, something like twenty minutes.
If JB had really decided to kill his family that night, then that was the time to tell Julie that he was deadly serious and get their stories straight surely!
No ambiguous rubbish like tonights the night and nothing else.
And if Julie is telling the truth, nothing of any importance was said in the 3.15-30 call anyway!

Mission Accomplished, you might get visitors.  Once he phones the Police who knows what could happen, this might be his last contact for a while, he wants to reaffirm her loyalty before he meets the Police.

[ILB]

You don't murder your family and then invite your girlfriend over who according to her " wasn't happy with his plans" over to you unless you've got a prehearsed in league conspiracy with one another beforehand. For all he knew she could drop him in it big style. It's that simple.

Julie says he made no mention of the crime in the weekend she spent with him.

[Adam]

Well one person said the call was at 2am. Until she altered her statement.

The other said 3.15am, because she was " nervous " she told the star prosecution witness it was 3.12am

This is something " she sometimes did "

A copper apprently did a " check " on a clock.

Have to go by the two witnrsses who testified. Together with Bamber's 30 minute window.

But appreciate you never accept a witness who undermines Jeremy's 40 year 'Campaign for Freedom".

[ILB]

Have to go by the two witnrsses who testified. Together with Bamber's 30 minute window.

But appreciate you never accept a witness who undermines Jeremy's 40 year 'Campaign for Freedom".

Man maintains innocence.

I am neutral.

I am just finding faults that is all, they are open for all to see and come to their own conclusion.

[snow66!]

Have to go by the two witnrsses who testified. Together with Bamber's 30 minute window.

But appreciate you never accept a witness who undermines Jeremy's 40 year 'Campaign for Freedom".

But for heavens sake Adam, calling Julie half an hour before calling the police would be a  school boy error surely? He knew others shared the flat with Julie and therefore the call couldn't be manipulated to suit, yet if you are correct, that is exactly what he did in his statement to the police!
Nah, JB didn't phone Julie at 3.00 that night, no way!
Guilty or innocent, he phoned Julie sometime after 3.10.

[snow66!]

Mission Accomplished, you might get visitors.  Once he phones the Police who knows what could happen, this might be his last contact for a while, he wants to reaffirm her loyalty before he meets the Police.

Do you think JB phoned Julie about 3.00, half an hour before calling the police, HB?
Was he really that stupid?