Mail on Sunday article

[ILB]

Supporters continue to overlook the only reason he wasn't was because initially, he had a free hand to tell the police the story he wanted them to believe, with no one to counter it. Why would they question it? It was only when the case for Sheila's innocence became so overwhelming that they were forced to realize he'd made a complete idiot of some of their finest, and do an about turn. By that time, every piece of incriminating evidence, he could have thought of, had been disposed of, one way or another.

This is my simple problem with the " messing around with scene, tampering with the scene"

JB was initially deemed an innocent individual even though he had aroused suspicion of certain officers. The official narrative was it was Shelia. Which is why articles like this have to be treated with caution.

[Roch]

Supporters continue to overlook the only reason he wasn't was because initially, he had a free hand to tell the police the story he wanted them to believe, with no one to counter it. Why would they question it? It was only when the case for Sheila's innocence became so overwhelming that they were forced to realize he'd made a complete idiot of some of their finest, and do an about turn. By that time, every piece of incriminating evidence, he could have thought of, had been disposed of, one way or another.

Police officers are trained not to make assumptions. Not to just take people at face value. It's their job to internally question what is going on. To pick up on body language and tone. They are observant. And in this case very experienced.

[Hardy Boy]

Police officers are trained not to make assumptions. Not to just take people at face value. It's their job to internally question what is going on. To pick up on body language and tone. They are observant. And in this case very experienced.

Roch , they got dubbed the Clouseau Squad and Slated By Justice Drake.

[ILB]

In fairness to Taff etc I cant find fault with the conclusion they came to. I say this as a person who is on the fence.

A woman in a secured house found with a rifle, with 4 people dead.

A woman with documented mental health problems. ( which back in the 1980s was somewhat a taboo subject )

A plausible well spoken guy who did appear to be nothing other than a bereaved relative.

From the outside nothing to suggest anything other than a murder suicide scenario.

[ILB]

Police officers are trained not to make assumptions. Not to just take people at face value. It's their job to internally question what is going on. To pick up on body language and tone. They are observant. And in this case very experienced.

DS Jones didn't like JB from the outset. It goes to show how times have changed can you imagine in 2025 an officer saying to a bereaved relative ( which at that point in time is exactly what he was deemed to be) " you must pull yourself together "

[Jane]

Police officers are trained not to make assumptions. Not to just take people at face value. It's their job to internally question what is going on. To pick up on body language and tone. They are observant. And in this case very experienced.

You'll undoubtedly have heard the old, tried and trusted, saying, "Trust your gut instinct"? It's the first thing which kicks in way before the remembered instructions not to make assumptions. I very much doubt, that in the chaos that was WHF, that night, they'd have had much time to pick up on body language and tone, let alone have time to stand back and observe.................which was part of the problem, as it turned out. All of this would have worked perfectly in any perpetrator's favour.

[Cambridgecutie]

Sounds to me the whistelblower might be the forum's 'Bill' who claims to have been a serving police officer with Essex constabulary.

[Cambridgecutie]

You'll undoubtedly have heard the old, tried and trusted, saying, "Trust your gut instinct"? It's the first thing which kicks in way before the remembered instructions not to make assumptions. I very much doubt, that in the chaos that was WHF, that night, they'd have had much time to pick up on body language and tone, let alone have time to stand back and observe.................which was part of the problem, as it turned out. All of this would have worked perfectly in any perpetrator's favour.

But not if the perpetrator committed suicide.

[Cambridgecutie]

DS Jones didn't like JB from the outset. It goes to show how times have changed can you imagine in 2025 an officer saying to a bereaved relative ( which at that point in time is exactly what he was deemed to be) " you must pull yourself together "

How do you know what appeared to be a dislike for JB from the off was not just part of his persona?  Maybe he would have been similar with just about anyone?

Maybe he had mental health issues?

Maybe he had addictions?  Hence his frequent drinking on the job.  First at JB's on 7th Aug and then with PE when he collected the silencer on 12th Aug.  These are just two occasions we know about within the first 6 days. 

Maybe he was a closet gay and JB stirred something in him hence the comment 'If I'm hard its for a reason'.

I believe he fabricated the outside of the silencer and secured JM's testimony.  If I'm right then given he was an officer for some 24 years prior to WHF I bet he got up to all sorts.  I get the feeling there's a bit of a back story here. 

[Curiosity]

Sounds to me the whistelblower might be the forum's 'Bill' who claims to have been a serving police officer with Essex constabulary.

If so, did he also blow the whistle about Sheila's death by a thousand cuts?

[Curiosity]

How do you know what appeared to be a dislike for JB from the off was not just part of his persona?  Maybe he would have been similar with just about anyone?

Maybe he had mental health issues?

Maybe he had addictions?  Hence his frequent drinking on the job.  First at JB's on 7th Aug and then with PE when he collected the silencer on 12th Aug.  These are just two occasions we know about within the first 6 days. 

Maybe he was a closet gay and JB stirred something in him hence the comment 'If I'm hard its for a reason'.

I believe he fabricated the outside of the silencer and secured JM's testimony.  If I'm right then given he was an officer for some 24 years prior to WHF I bet he got up to all sorts.  I get the feeling there's a bit of a back story here.

All groundless speculation by your highly overactive imagination. 

[Cambridgecutie]

If so, did he also blow the whistle about Sheila's death by a thousand cuts?

Well 'Bill' did claim that SC sustained numerous cuts, overlooked by Dr Vanezis and Prof Knight, that he was able to observe with a magnifying glass he purchased from a pound shop.

[Cambridgecutie]

All groundless speculation by your highly overactive imagination. 

Not at all.  It's highly suspicious when you have one junior/middle ranking officer pretty much single handedly taking ownerhsip of a case involving 5 murders.  Gathering evidence under dubious circumstances and it seems taking the case in whatever direction he wanted with complete impunity. 

I would like to know why he needed to stay with PE for "some considerable time", according to AE, drinking whisky into the small hours when he was there to collect an exhibit which became the centrepiece of the case 

[ILB]

How do you know what appeared to be a dislike for JB from the off was not just part of his persona?  Maybe he would have been similar with just about anyone?

Maybe he had mental health issues?

Maybe he had addictions?  Hence his frequent drinking on the job.  First at JB's on 7th Aug and then with PE when he collected the silencer on 12th Aug.  These are just two occasions we know about within the first 6 days. 

Maybe he was a closet gay and JB stirred something in him hence the comment 'If I'm hard its for a reason'.

I believe he fabricated the outside of the silencer and secured JM's testimony.  If I'm right then given he was an officer for some 24 years prior to WHF I bet he got up to all sorts.  I get the feeling there's a bit of a back story here.

His persona shouldn't cloud his job. Whatever problems he had in his own life are just that. His problems. If indeed he had any.

But this was a different era.

[Jane]

How do you know what appeared to be a dislike for JB from the off was not just part of his persona?  Maybe he would have been similar with just about anyone?

Maybe he had mental health issues?

Maybe he had addictions?  Hence his frequent drinking on the job.  First at JB's on 7th Aug and then with PE when he collected the silencer on 12th Aug.  These are just two occasions we know about within the first 6 days. 

Maybe he was a closet gay and JB stirred something in him hence the comment 'If I'm hard its for a reason'.

I believe he fabricated the outside of the silencer and secured JM's testimony.  If I'm right then given he was an officer for some 24 years prior to WHF I bet he got up to all sorts.  I get the feeling there's a bit of a back story here.

Oh dear! Waaaay too many ifs/buts/and maybes going on here. Stirring the pot is one thing, scraping the barrel is entirely different.