Prof Knight on Nevill's back burns.

[Cambridgecutie]

Agree they are burns. Not war wounds or bruising from prodding which CC/Curiosity supports.

It seems a very strange coincidence to me that NB broke his back and in all liklihood had screws and plates fitted in the exact same position the marks appear:

https://images.app.goo.gl/XzAUh4ScDNJ7EsLJ6

The screws and plates might well have appeared the way they did as a result of NB's resting position ie head towards floor, spine curved, blood draining away and the effects of post death.

[Adam]

2 years ago or 4 years ago?  I thought the Aga burns form part of the CCRC submission Mar 2021?

Believe the aga marks were brought up later. Mainly to keep Bamber in the media.

[Zoso]

The handle's shape/impression on pigskin bears no resemblance whatsoever to the top mark/burn on the nape -

There aren't even any burns on it, just indents 

[Adam]

There aren't even any burns on it, just indents 

They are burns. As Vanezis said after examining the body.

[snow66!]

They are burns. As Vanezis said after examining the body.

Well, surely a decision about the marks is imminent, Adam!

[Zoso]

Well, surely a decision about the marks is imminent, Adam!

Why would they be? 

[Curiosity]

Well, surely a decision about the marks is imminent, Adam!

They'll string it out until the last day of the month to make him suffer a bit more.

[snow66!]

Why would they be? 

Wasn't a decision expected from the CCRC in March, Zoso?

[snow66!]

They'll string it out until the last day of the month to make him suffer a bit more.

And then refer, Curiosity??

[Zoso]

And then refer, Curiosity??

I would lower your expectations but no one here can answer that.

[Hardy Boy]

It seems a very strange coincidence to me that NB broke his back and in all liklihood had screws and plates fitted in the exact same position the marks appear:

https://images.app.goo.gl/XzAUh4ScDNJ7EsLJ6

The screws and plates might well have appeared the way they did as a result of NB's resting position ie head towards floor, spine curved, blood draining away and the effects of post death.

I agree, i can remember you reporting this awhile ago, the only thing that put me off, wouldn't it have been in Neville's medical  records and possibly Vanezis/Knight would have linked the two?

[Bubo bubo]

I agree, i can remember you reporting this awhile ago, the only thing that put me off, wouldn't it have been in Neville's medical  records and possibly Vanezis/Knight would have linked the two?

I presume there would have been X rays taken at post mortem. If he did have plates and screws these would have been identified. PV ordered X rays when first contacted.

[snow66!]

I presume there would have been X rays taken at post mortem. If he did have plates and screws these would have been identified. PV ordered X rays when first contacted.

Good point Bubo!

[Cambridgecutie]

I presume there would have been X rays taken at post mortem. If he did have plates and screws these would have been identified. PV ordered X rays when first contacted.

I knew it wouldn't sit comfortably with you!  Its too simple, straightforward, plausible, ticks all the boxes and doesn't involve thousands of conspiracy theories! 

The main objective of a PM is to determine cause of death.  Given all victims sustained more than one gunshot wound, 8 in the case of NB, why would it follow that complete body xrays would be undertaken?  Esepcially if he could determine cause of death from one or more of the gunshot wounds. 

Not necessarily.  If xrays were taken in that area some metals are difficult to detect and/or can be hidden by bone.

Where's the evidence Dr Vanezis ordered xrays?  Ordered them from where? 

He does refer to observing a fragmented bullet on a radiograph which he was unable to locate in the body cavity. 

[Cambridgecutie]

I agree, i can remember you reporting this awhile ago, the only thing that put me off, wouldn't it have been in Neville's medical  records and possibly Vanezis/Knight would have linked the two?

I believe NB's back surgery was carried out during WW2?  I've no idea if medi records are updated during wartime? 

We also know NB had a preference for going private: JB and SC's schooling, SC and June's psychiatric care.  Private medi treatment is not always added to the notes. 

Is there any evidence Dr Vanezis/Prof Knight requested victims' medi records?  Not really sure why they would when the cause of death was gunshot wound.

Both thought the marks were recent.  Well I think they probably were recent but imo they were caused internally rather than externally.  NB's spine and neck were stretched with blood moving away from the area and the skin drying out, I think the surgical hardware started to protrude from within.  Had he have remained in that position unattended I think the hardware might have burst through the skin.